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Campus Rape Expert Can’t Answer Basic Questions About His Sources

ripple24

July 29, 2015
60 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/28/campus-rape-statistics-lisak-problem
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Title Campus Rape Expert Can’t Answer Basic Questions About His Sources
Author

ripple24

Upvotes 60
Comments 23
Date July 29, 2015 12:18 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3eytzz/campus_rape_expert_cant_answer_basic_questions/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/campus-rape-expert-cant-answer-basic-questions.974470
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[–]ripple24 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TLDR: "Expert" repeatedly cited by President Obama, major media turns out to be a complete fraud, which becomes obvious under only the barest of scrutiny.

[–]DavidByron2 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus science doesn't credit results from a single source anyway. Science doesn't have to constantly ask if this is some bullshit feminist or fraudster, it simply asks who has managed to reproduce these results? Answer = nobody.

[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't list the sources of his data, can't say what they were when asked, someone points out that you can't interview people ten years after they participated in an anonymous survey and they get banned .... sorry they get hung up on and all further calls ignored.

Was this a scientific research paper or a Reddit comment?

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I cite sources in my Reddit comments. Source

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

As much as I would like to skewer bad science and bad researchers, I would love to know some of the context of this conversation.

  • For starters, was this a cold call? Was Lisak given time to prepare answers for this interview?
  • Was it possible that Lisak was confusing 2 different studies?
  • What was the tone of the interviewer like? Perhaps the interviewer was somehow rude?

It seems that there is enough evidence to suggest this is bad science and I would hope that the author was not playing a game of gotcha journalism.

On the other hand, when it comes to Lisak, I do believe he has some of the better(not perfect) research out there for false rape accusations.

http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

No his stuff on false accusation is more feminist bullshit that's been debunked.

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

I would love to see this debunking then.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Off hand he picked three "believe the woman" feminists who were employed as advocates for female rape victims to be the judges of which cases were false reports. Then he only marked a case as a false accusation if they were really sure it was. Frankly with that sort of bias i am amazed the result wasn't zero percent.

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Then it appears we are talking about 2 different studies. I am referring to the linked study Lasik (2010). This study used 4 coders, paired into teams and both teams analyzed the same reports. This to me seemed reasonable.

The biggest issue with this study that i find is that people inherently misunderstand the coding system. After all was coded, the most accurate statement that could be made is:

"According to the Lasik(2010) study, the minimum false accusation rate is 5.6%. Beyond that, we don't know if the remaining reports represent false accusations or a rape."

But most people claim it says that the false accusation rate is 5.6%, which is not what the study indicates.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No I think it's just the one study.

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe, but I have yet to see any in depth refutation of the study as a whole.

But perhaps some context is important. In a different sub, I saw someone mention/cite Lisak (2014) and cite 5.6% which i could not find. I only saw Lisak (2010), which did have the 5.6%. So when you mentioned another study I was hoping you knew where to find Lisak (2014) since it is newer.

Here are 2 of the best refutations of the study but they only point out what I really know and have stated earlier, that 5.6% represents a floor for the number of false accusations, not an exact number.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/09/20/false-rape-accusations-happen-and-theyre-a-serious-problem/

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/upcoming-lisak-rape-report-false-rape.html

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There was a post linking to an article on it just a couple of days ago......

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I know you are a big contributor on this subreddit, but some of are not and it is possible to not see everything posted here. I did not see the article and after searching for a bit I still find nothing listed. If you could provide a link that would be great.

[–]DavidByron21 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Normally I would have done that but I didn't have much luck tracking it down. Sorry.

[–]enzikio1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh well, thanks for the consideration. I'm still really interested in either Lisak (2014) or a good refution of Lisak (2010). If you do find them I'd be happy to look at them. See ya in the next thread!

[–]lisaksucks 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not only is it bad science, it's malicious science. Predator Theory was invented in order to paint every young man accused of wrongdoing with a scarlet letter. "If we don't expel him, he'll do it again!"

Furthermore, it was also used to support the "never the 'victim''s fault" narrative. How could it possibly be the "victim's" fault if they planned a nonconsensual encounter from the beginning? But now we know the truth.

[+]enzikio 11 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any sources that debunk Predator Theory?

Also, victim blaming is something to avoid. The real issue is the term victim blaming has been distorted. No longer is it used to describe a past victim, but instead to describe potential future victims making any crime prevention techniques "evil".

[–]lisaksucks 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. OP's link.

How is it "victim" blaming, if we haven't even established if she is a "victim"?

[–]enzikio1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes. OP's link. Oops, I got deep into a different discussion and totally forgot which thread I was in.

How is it "victim" blaming, if we haven't even established if she is a "victim"?

I think you need to reread what I wrote. I am agreeing with you and explaining why I do.

[–]Blutarg 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I had no idea this guy and his work were so sketchy. Thanks a lot for posting this article.

[–]Ace678 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Errr....I overheard some feminists saying things in a Wymens safe space at a gender studies department on campus, and I assumed it was all factually true. Isn't that good enough?

[–]RockFourFour 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For about 90% of the population, yes. Damn misogynist, patriarchal society!

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I asked how he was able to speak with men participating in an anonymous survey for research he was not conducting, he ended the phone call.

Holy shit. That's some smoking gun caught-in-a-lie, right there. We're talking Rachel Dolezal level

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