Examining MRA’s Prison-Rape Factoid

ullere · 2012-02-03T19:42:04+00:00

Wow you've cited a report that gives the prisoners self report victimisation, not the number that the BJS gives for male prison rape in 2008.

The report you've chosen to use as the holy gospel by the BJS says that 72,000 prisoners self reported that they had been sexually assaulted. However the BJS itself along with prison rape advocacy groups state that self reporting is problematic among the prison population due to a variety of factors including intimidation, possible reprisals, etc. The main issue is of course that most rapes in prisons occur within the first 16 weeks of a sentence and self reporting will not include those prisoners who spend less than a year in jail who make up a large proportion of those raped.

The BJS / doj(the same source you are using) Did release another source in regards to the actual number of male prisoners that fall victim to rape, note I mean the number of victims not the number of rapes. Just for you I looked it out in the federal register it's on page 6268

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/programs/pdfs/prea_nprm.pdf U.S. DOJ Estimates Over 216,000 Inmates & Juveniles Victimized in 2008 4 categories of sexual violence indicated:  Rape involving force/threat of force  Nonconsensual sexual acts w. pressure/coercion(legally rape)  Abusive sexual contacts(legally rape)  Willing sex with staff(legally counts as rape) ADULT PRISONS 91,400 ADULT JAILS 108,100 JUVENILE FACILITIES 17,100 2008 TOTAL INCIDENTS 216,600*

So hey look at that 216,000.

So the BJS says that prisoners reported 72,000 rapes in 2008, then they themselves say that number is incorrect and estimate it to be at a bare minimum (a baseline) 216,000.

'For each event type, the total number of individuals who were victimized during 2008 is estimated, using figures compiled from inmate surveys by BJS,6 as adjusted to account for the flow of inmates over that period of time. Inmates who experienced more than one type of victimization during the period are included in the figures for the most serious type of victimization they reported.'

So you took one BJS report that has 72,000 prisoners report rape. The BJS took all their reports for the year and estimated that at the Bare minimum 216,000 rapes took place in US prisons in 2008. So are you going to suggest that somehow your BJS source is more accurate than the BJS?

Now your 'According to the NCVS, women experienced 202,000 sexual assaults in 2007 and 193,000 in 2008. '

So two points, firstly 216,000 is higher than 193,000. Secondly the BJS estimate for prison rape, is for RAPE not for sexual assaults.

But yeah us MRA's just keep perpetuating myths by using the same sources you use, but you know, actually reading them.

ValiantPie · 2012-02-03T21:56:48+00:00

To be fair, a lot of feminists eviscerated this article, pointing out the irony in trying to minimize prison rape numbers. Aerik is pretty much a laughingstock in every community that he is a part of, now.

ullere · 2012-02-03T19:46:44+00:00

AH shit I'm in a troll thread, posted by the troll king. Citing a blog post from 2011... Dam it.

Title	Examining MRA’s Prison-Rape Factoid
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	4
Comments	9
Date	February 3, 2012 1:36 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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