Fact Checking Feminist Claims About False Rape Accusations: Part 2

chadwickofwv · 2019-09-17T20:41:27+00:00

If there is a single feminist involved in a study then that study should be considered void. That is far too much bias to even begin to take it seriously.

Egalitarianwhistle · 2019-09-17T15:39:40+00:00

We see a lot of bad inferences from the data and a reliance on Feminist postulates over actual data.

Toy soldier points out how Lhl routinely takes a baseless assumption and combines it with cherry picked details.

ralphswanson · 2019-09-19T01:02:14+00:00

The feminist position is that women are truthful and men lairs so trust the accuser unless proof otherwise. A stark contrast to equality of the sexes.

Let's look a stats. 5% of accusations are proven true by a conviction. 2-8% are demonstrably false from police reports. That leaves 87-93% where the truthfulness is unknown. To estimate the veracity of the remainder about a dozen studies have been published. The result vary greatly but average to about a third of accusations being false. That is far greater than other crimes. Feminist know this to be true but do all they can to hide this result.

My experience confirms this ratio. So many times rape accusers have been proven to have fabricated their accusation for revenge, attention, or to cover up infidelity.

Egalitarianwhistle · 2019-09-19T02:07:39+00:00

Campbell is the person who has influenced title 9 investigations across the country. So isnt that a bit of no true traumatized Scotsman?

Edit: This was supposed to be a reply to my conversation with skeptical_bob below.

skepticalbob · 2019-09-18T17:21:41+00:00

I'll first take issue with the terrible title of a blogger who isn't a researcher, but uses a smear against actual researchers that are simply writing what researchers have actually found. It's an ad hominem in the damn title and we are meant to take this seriously?

In other words, the studies the report cites are admittedly inaccurate, which in turns means that neither the researchers nor the police have any real idea how frequently false accusations occur. They merely have data on the instances they caught, which they inexplicably combine with cases that lacked enough evidence to prosecute.

Meaning that the number is likely inflated beyond what is actually true. These numbers rely on investigators' judgment as to what the truth is based on the facts available to them. And accusations believed to be false are thrown into a pile that includes accusations that are believed, but not prosecuted for a variety of reasons, including a mistaken belief that it was rape, but actually another crime and a belief that, while true, there isn't the kind of evidence juries are likely to believe. There is good reporting that suggests that the data itself is skewed in such a way that dramatically reduces actual rapes that are reported and denies victims justice.

That is not at all what the research shows, however, it does fit with the feminist narrative that false accusations rarely occur, which is the purpose of the report. It is meant to dismiss the concern about false accusations, not investigate the actual frequency of false accusations.

More ad hominem and not an actual critique of research. We are meant to think that they are feminists because reasons and therefore shouldn't be considered reliable. That's garbage. Should he be dismissed because he is a men's rights activist? I'm pretty sure everyone would cringe at that tactic if it were reversed.

How is that relevant to the discussion? The frequency of sexual violence against women has no bearing on the frequency of false accusations of rape. They are wholly unrelated. This marks the first of many emotional appeals LhL makes throughout the post. None of them are relevant to the issue at hand. Rather, they serve only show “women have it worse” and dismiss any genuine concerns about the experiences of the falsely accused.

How is "feminists" relevant to the discussion? It serves only to show that men have it worse and dismiss any genuine concerns about the experiences of rape victims.

See how this works? The difference is that he is projecting and actually engaging in the tactic and the researchers are simply explaining good interpretations of the research. Pot, meet kettle.

This is a phenomenal achievement. Perhaps instead of writing a post on reddit, LhL should contact various district attorneys’ offices and inform them of which inmates need to be released because they are innocent. If that is not the author’s claim, then there is no way the author could possibly find any statistic that could accurately determine whether an accusation is true or false. It is intellectually dishonest to make such a claim.

Unnamed false accusations aren't a problem to the accused, because that person isn't named and usually doesn't exist. In law enforcement this is called a boogieman rape. It's usually someone that is mentally ill, but shows up in the data under unfounded accusations. This then get's trotted out as false accusations that ruin men's lives, which is utter nonsense.

Again, there is no way for any researcher to determine this because the researcher does not and cannot know which accusations are true and which are false. It is possible that false accusations get through the system because the accuser named a person. It is possible that the non-existent stranger scenario is caught more frequently due to its ridiculous nature. There is no way to know what is true without a clear understanding of how often false accusations actually occur.

The best available evidence is what the investigators that actually investigate the claim being made actually believe to be true. They are in the best position to know. And if you think a bunch of police investigators are somehow secret feminists, you and this blogger are delusional.

One of the issues with the report is that it only looks at cases that were deemed false by the police. As mentioned before, all false accusations are not report to the police, nor are they caught at police stations. We have enough evidence to safely state that some false accusations result in a trial and some result in convictions.

Therefore all statistics are unreliable? What the hell is he even saying here? What investigators believe is almost always the best evidence available in cases that don't go to trial. Even in those cases, their lack of training in trauma affects means false accusations are likely overstated. But let's just dismiss that so we can call researchers "feminists," which isn't an emotional argument like other people use because men's rights activists would never make an emotional argument. Or something.

That still leaves a number of instances in which women falsely accuse a specific person of committing a sex crime, which carries the potential for arrest, trial, and conviction. Should we conclude that this acceptable because it is not the majority? It is acceptable to imprison someone for a crime that did not happen merely because it does not occur that often?

No. We should think that using these statistics to claim that unfounded rape percentages don't represent the number of men whose lives are ruined by rape.

It is an indefensible position because it is immoral and unethical to imprison a person for a crime they did not commit, let alone one that never happened. To deprive someone of his freedom is a very serious decision, and as a society we argue that it is better to let 100 guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent man. Yet the author appears to argue that one innocent man is negligible because false accusations do not occur often, which the author fails to prove.

Ironically the available data suggests that far less than 1% of those guilty of rape are imprisoned for it. Sounds like this blogger should be happy. Spoiler, he isn't.

Perhaps the most shocking element of the author’s ridiculous math is that it never occurred to LhL that the women who falsely claim they were raped… were not raped, and therefore would not be represented by the 1 in 6 number. Obviously there is the potential for some overlap, however, it seems more likely that women who falsely claim they were raped likely never raped.

That doesn't follow at all. The one in six represents a survey that comprises a tiny percent of prosecutions. Tiny as in far less than 1%. This is basic math. And he ignores the fact that one in sex isn't measuring multiple rapes and just makes up "fact" that someone making a false accusation could never be raped in real life by someone else because reasons.

The proper question to ask then would be how many women in make false accusations? Also, how many of the women who falsely claim they were raped report it to the police? What if the woman merely wants to tarnish someone’s reputation, but not get him arrested? How would any of these studies track those situations? For example, take Kavanaugh’s accusers. Those women made false claims, yet none of them filed charges, so their claims would never make it to police reports or exoneration registry.

Nice bait and switch. We are talking about false rape accusations made to the police. But let's pretend we aren't. People can falsely accuse others of pretty much anything. The solution is to sue them for slander. And this is available to every person accused of anything.

The link to study was broken, and the same could be said of LhL’s argument. It is not only irrelevant to the issue of false accusations, but there is no similar study asking women whether they would commit sexual violence or make false accusations. This is nothing more than a piece of feminist trivia used to tarnish men.

Not an emotional ad hominem at all. Only feminists, which means any researcher that makes the blogger sad, would do such a thing.

The study comes from a survey of men in the military that followed them and showed how perpetrators progress. He couldn't be bothered to find out. But he is definitely a truth-seeker and not some emotional activist.

This blog is trash. No reasonable person that understands the research and has actually read it would be persuaded by it. And you shouldn't either.

Fact Checking Feminist Claims About False Rape Accusations: Part 2

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