Huge NYT article on Hobart&WilliamSmith rape tribunal. The usual modus operandi -- No statistics, just McCaskillesque emotion-manipulating story of female victim horrendously treated by school adm

2014-07-13T16:03:52+00:00

Turning to the police may not offer a more equitable alternative.

Code: turning to the police does not result in a summary conviction.

College administrators have their own incentive to deal with such cases on campus, since a public prosecution could frighten parents, prospective students and donors.

Code: Star Chamber hearings with little due process and no transparency are preferred, because public prosecutions are "frightening".

...the district attorney, R. Michael Tantillo, said he had “virtually nothing to work with” and quickly closed the case.

Code: The law doesn't do justice to victims.
Reality: An ethical prosecutor will not take a case to trial when there is little or no evidence of guilt.

2014-07-13T17:38:35+00:00

they really need to start entitling these articles "why not have summary executions?"

kelustu · 2014-07-13T13:37:08+00:00

McCaskill as in the Senator?

I'm gonna go ahead and say that after reading the article, it sounds like the story is legitimate. I get that the rules and procedure's taken by the girl and the school are horrible, but not taking proper procedure is not a reason to dismiss the legitimacy of a rape, there are plenty of legitimately illegitimate rapes.

Underfolder · 2014-07-13T14:36:33+00:00

The police, judges, and lawyers often can't handle assault cases fairly. What makes anybody think college administrators can?

xNOM · 2014-07-13T12:02:33+00:00

NYT getting behind the McCaskill agenda to turn college tribunals into a shadow justice system. Hits the usual points:

a "feelings" piece mostly concerned with generating emotional reactions to a campus alcohol-fueled crime. The angle here is that in this case, the tribunals lacked training and will to have the perps thrown out properly.
complaints about victim not remaining anonymous
complaints that the tribunals are pressured by alumni and athletic programs not to prosecute
police only mentioned as an afterthought in a few sentences. In this case, police were not even involved in the process until the very end.

james3563 · 2014-07-14T15:17:29+00:00

How excruciatingly odd it is to hear the NY Times constantly refer to the defendants as "football players," "Player #1", "Player #2," etc. They are almost never called 'students,' 'defendants,' 'young men,' or 'the accused' at all.

Using terminology like 'player #1' and 'player #2' is how I might describe a football play, and that seems to be what the NY Times is pretending to describe. Rape is a football play.

But no footballs appear in the story at all. Nor any football plays.

Hm.

2014-07-13T21:55:38+00:00

So she gets drunk, blows a football squad (even rapes one of the guys by his testimony), then wakes up the next morning and wants to be a victim.

Pretty much sums up this whole "campus rape epidemic" by the sounds of it. Maybe the best message to send is that women need to be responsable for their own actions and choices, including the choice to get wasted drunk then throw themselves sexually at a pack of equally drunk footballers.

Title	Huge NYT article on Hobart&WilliamSmith rape tribunal. The usual modus operandi -- No statistics, just McCaskillesque emotion-manipulating story of female victim horrendously treated by school adm
Author	xNOM
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Comments	19
Date	July 13, 2014 11:50 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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