Insane feminist talks about how men cannot be oppressed, says the Men's Rights movement is total bullshit, men are sexist, women are oppressed, and all of us need to check our privileges a million tim

Lobstermansunion · 2014-04-02T22:04:19+00:00

Some feminists genuinely care about equality and operate under the illusion that feminism does too. but the movement is supremacist. In fact it really only represents a percentage of women.

NiceIce · 2014-04-02T22:49:55+00:00

Feminism is not about equality, and never has been.

blueoak9 · 2014-04-02T21:32:17+00:00

All I can say is that that site is well-named. She is living under the bell jar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Jar

tallwheel · 2014-04-03T01:05:02+00:00

If you take all of feminist theory for fact, then her argument totally makes sense. This is exactly what they teach.

xNOM · 2014-04-02T23:27:01+00:00

So little time, but so many bitter underachieving man-haters who have nothing better to do with their time than spew hate on their blogs.

DougDante · 2014-04-03T02:04:12+00:00

rage fest. you can participate if you like. or just ignore it.

ShitDickMcCuntFace · 2014-04-03T03:02:29+00:00

But let’s not pretend that all opinions are created equal – some are based on fact, and some are total bullshit.

Then:

MRAs believe that feminists are to blame for basically everything that’s wrong with their lives.

undergroundpanda · 2014-04-03T12:23:56+00:00

I immediately lose any interest in someone's criticisms the moment they say "check your privilege"

bsutansalt · 2014-04-03T01:49:37+00:00

There are some really good comments in that thread. Worth the read if anyone has the time.

itrebilco · 2014-04-03T15:51:13+00:00

Sometimes when I bring up mens rights with my girlfriend she talks about how women fought for what they have and men need to do the same. This women sort of raises the same concerns, saying that MRA doesn't 'raise money to open shelters for homeless or abused men...' Can someone give me good examples of groups that are making real change for mens rights? It would be a great help in conversation.

MrMagwitch · 2014-04-03T16:12:38+00:00

kragshot · 2014-04-05T04:18:19+00:00

Again, I find myself coming into a post linking some angry feminist's blog and I end up asking the same question;

"Who the fuck is this broad, and why does her opinion matter to what we are truly doing here?"

She's just another zombie feminist and her opinion in the broad scheme of things means shit. We all know that she's as crazy as a bag full of cats on meth that have been sprayed with mace. These are not the feminists we need to be calling on their shit.

We need to keep the spotlight on the named ones who are stirring up shit, creating philosophy, and dictating policy like Amanda Marcotte, Jessica Valenti, Adèle Mercier, Luce Irigaray, Kate Harding, and other "named" feminist leaders and icons. If we can discredit these people, then the movement will collapse under the weight of it's own illogical rhetoric.

c0mputar · 2014-04-03T06:29:29+00:00

I'm actually a feminist, too.

I'm not going to let a bunch of academic feminists (those who believe in the tenants of academic feminism) dictate whether or not I support women's rights, etc... That's what feminist means.

The feminism term has certainly been dirtied by the beliefs and actions of academic feminists, but just because the academics are wrong doesn't mean I have to be by not being a feminist.

This is no different than agnostics choosing not to be atheists despite lacking faith in the existence of god. The bigger reason for American agnostics who choose not to be atheist is because of the negative connotations associated with atheism.

Surely some academics studying racism have some pretty crazy theories regarding racist beliefs, etc... Doesn't mean one can't be against racism.

People can be American even if they hate the government and/or hate a lot of Americans.

I think MRAs would help their cause if they announced they were feminist too. Put aside your differences with other feminists, lead by example, and say, hey, I don't care what theories you believe in, I support [men/women's] rights and equality.

There are plenty of coo-coo MRAs out there who have some wild ideas like some academic feminists. I'm not going to relinguish my MRA label because of them. The terms MRA and feminist are simply defined and easy to support.

MRAs on this sub barely talk about feminist issues, and vice-versa... Like most MRAs, we probably talk about women's issues outside of this subreddit. Don't let radicals scare you from declaring your support for fixing women's issues, too.

Even if being labeled a feminist is just too toxic for you, at the very least do not call yourself just an MRA... Instead call yourself just an egalitarian. That way no one can assume you're against supporting women's rights and equality. As outrageous as that sounds, there are a sizable number of ill-informed people who think MRAs are all misogynists.

boarder9411 · 2014-04-03T00:32:41+00:00

A woman here, strong supporter of equality. Having read the article, I think op might have presented The Belle Jar's opinions slightly slanted, though I do agree that she takes a strong stance against the Men's Rights movement and men in general which is unfair. Men and women on either side have often taken this argument too far into the realm of oppressing men AND women. What I think is more important for us to remember in regards to feminism is that patriarchy was completely the norm in most places for a long time and that still today some manners of oppression of women often go unnoticed because of it. Even more so, because of the history of patriarchy which is now changing, male claims to oppression are often written off by feminists as nonexistent because "men cannot be oppressed", which is simply not true.

Let's just try to remember, though, that pointing fingers and calling each other names is only adding to the problem. When The Belle Jar made all of those strong accusations against Men's Rights, she was being disrespectful, but responding by calling her an "insane feminist" is not rising above and trying to better the world. It is adding to the problem. I see fault on both sides. If we stopped being disrespectful, but rather focused on trying to understand each other, BOTH movements would have more success and we could work together to create a better world.

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