Knowledge without action is meaningless

wumbo-inator · 2024-01-03T20:51:40+00:00

I agree with you that there is a lack of action and organization... but it is extremely dangerous to advocate for men’s issues.

Warren Farrell is no longer employed at Universities, Erin Pizzey’s dog was murdered and she was threatened so much she had to leave town, my professor was reported by much of my class for mentioning sexism men face in the healthcare system, any public record of you doing this will make you lose any relationship with universities.. large corporations with HR and DEI offices... voters... etc, women are not attracted to men that want gender equality.. they want a “sturdy oak” they can use for their own gain while demanding gender equality when it suits them. So you’ll be nuking your value in the dating world.

You are the minority. Society does not agree with you. Society actively discriminates and oppresses men. Going against the status quo will be painful. It’s that way by design. That’s why it’s the status quo in the first place.

Not saying you should roll over and die. But you better be real careful about how you advocate, and you need to be aware of the sacrifices you’ll have to make if you open your mouth and say you want men to have some of the most basic forms of gender equality.

2024-01-03T20:32:55+00:00

There’s 3 actions that I can think of. Action 1 and the one I believe is already being taken: Spread awareness and trust that the future generations will be better because we’ll all teach our kids to be better. Action 2: outright war. I don’t think this one’s a good idea so I won’t suggest my solutions. Action 3: start a movement. I also don’t believe this one will happen because most male focused groups are considered hate groups, and tbh most of them lack discipline. If this one is to work the goal needs to be clear and unclouded by anger and I think that’s unsustainable, feminism is proof of that, it would just bring us back to where we were. I understand your impatience and need for action, but my solution is stay the course. I support you in yours though.

ERiC_693 · 2024-01-04T03:34:30+00:00

There are positive changes in awareness. Movember said it was putting $100m AUS toward male health. Even though i don't think it was public funds it will get the ball rolling.
If you look at DV the Canadian Centre for Men and Families just got public funds to run research on male victims of DV and linkage to homelessness. That was government funding from Toronto iirc.
I have seen growingchanges in DV awareness, a lot of shelters are slowly moving away from Duluth Model 1994 (it's an outdated and deceptive model).
The university of bradford in UK just set up a scholarship for working-class, white boys. IMO I don't think that would happen in 2010. It's also research showing clearly there are men/boy's issues.

But I do understand there is a massive lack of action on men's part. It is shameful how young men are all male feminists when there is so much dishonesty in feminism. Even though women still face a lot of problems, I don't think feminism is a legitimate movement anymore.

The other issue is yes, you can see white women in their 20s are hostile to male issues being included because it will take their advantages away. That is a natural response when a privileged group is alerted to their privileges. Feminists are hostile to programmes for boys in school when there is data showing boys are going backwards, not just girls moving ahead. This is a natural response that the group with the advantage (in education it's privately educated white females) doesn't want it taken away. While white females are treated as an underrepresented minority in education when they in fact run schools and dominate almost all degrees. [The idea of white women being seen as an underrepresented group in education is fucking ridiculous!] That is where men really need to push hard as white females dominate education so have the advantage as they are more represented.

Turjt84489 · 2024-01-03T22:17:30+00:00

No action is also valuable. Do not get married, do not cohabitate, avoid working with females...

This urge to fix things will be used against you...

g1455ofwater · 2024-01-04T02:32:18+00:00

Spreading knowledge is action.

If you know of a good plan then please by all means enlighten the world with your genius.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-01-03T22:45:27+00:00

This reminds me of an old prayer: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

One man is not going to change the gynocentric culture we're in overnight. 10,000 aren't either. From my research, it took a long time to get here, starting back around 500 years ago when "courtly love" came into flavor in European literature, which then got emulated IRL, become grafted onto chivalry. That's where pedestalizing women came from. So I expect it will take a long time to undo that. It's possible we could hit some kind of tipping point where feminism overplays its hand and people en masse recognize it's ridiculousness.

So I dunno. I do what I can. For example, by teaching my kids critical thinking skills like to see if something might be racist/sexist, try flipping the genders or "races". If it now sounds "wrong" then the original statement probably is too. I was out with my son one night and came home to find my wife and daughter watched the Barbie movie. So I asked what they thought and was pleasantly surprised they found it completely ridiculous and irrational.

Do what you can and take the risks you can afford to take.

One idea I have is get out and coach a kid's sports team. There are a lot of kids out there growing up without a dad in the picture and often a coach that teaches principals like being a good sport, doing your best, don't try to cheat or get away with fouls, can do a lot of good. I thought this was just normal but the amount of teams my son has played against without these basics is pretty appalling.

Going back to the prayer, I find it a bit impractical because it's pretty darn hard to know if something could work or not until you try it. A lot of big societal/cultural changes started when someone stuck his/her neck out big time and tried something that shouldn't have worked but did. Of course, history remembers those but not the thousands of others who simply were ignored or squashed.

SecTeff · 2024-01-04T07:48:26+00:00

It requires organisation. People prepared to pay a monthly donation to support a political campaign for gender equality that can then campaign on men’s rights issues with paid staff.

The movement won’t get any government grants or funding so can only work through people supporting it directly.

iam-motivated-jay · 2025-12-31T10:57:48+00:00

"Knowledge without action is meaningless_

Facts.

The purpose of knowledge is action, not knowledge

Caddy4223 · 2024-01-03T22:01:55+00:00

There are few men in control that were nerds in HS and the others are inbred entitled little shits that want to break the strong men down by manipulation of women.

luminarium · 2024-01-04T01:48:01+00:00

Fighting a war (including a socio-cultural one) involves knowing when to pick your fights. Better to wait until the AI revolution makes it so that the women lose the support of the simps, for nontraditional podcasters to make more inroads into exposing these problems, and for more people to be upset about the problem, before making your move.

Title	Knowledge without action is meaningless
Author	movieman199111
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Date	January 3, 2024 8:22 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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