"Masculinity so fragile"

Lethn · 2019-07-27T19:46:18+00:00

It's trash talking from people who demand safe spaces and trigger warnings or call for people they don't like to be banned from speaking so I don't even bother responding to shit like that.

People have to remember that sometimes even if feminists by and large tend to be stupid even by general standards when they write about shit like this they're actually trash talking I've noticed. So for example if you see them writing shit about hurting men and things like that over something being said they're being utter fantasists and acting like tough girls for some social status.

In this case, they want people to respond so they can go "Aww look at the little manbaby!" and taunt even more. It's actually kind of clever because if you don't know what they're doing it's designed to definitely get a rise out of you but yeah, there's no logic to it even going by their ideology they're just posting crap.

Here's my tip for dealing with them, respond to specific claims, don't respond to taunts, if you're feeling patient it can definitely be fun to mess with them generally but I would ignore them if that's all they write.

mgtowolf · 2019-07-27T19:57:08+00:00

It's a shaming tactic, more often than not used by the same fuckin morons who also claim men are emotionless robots that should cry more.

Tmomp · 2019-07-28T01:48:56+00:00

I've been masculine since the day I was born and my masculinity hasn't broken yet. It's stronger and more resilient than ever.

xNOM · 2019-07-28T09:32:14+00:00

Masculinity is not fragile. Masculinity is antifragile. Human genes are exposed to mother nature through men and their exploits. They grow stronger due to randomness and adversity. Forcing men into responsibility breaks some, but makes most stronger.

Women are fragile. They are security freaks who avoid conflict and want to live their lives out as protected children.

Mightyoak123 · 2019-07-28T10:15:05+00:00

I don't think masculinity is fragile. I think some people's is though, when it's defining too much of who you are. It should be an important part of course. But when people won't do things they think are too "feminine" or make fun of other men for doing so. I'm thinking things like caring about baby stuff/childcare, caring about appearance, being gentle, sensitive, liking poetry, whatever. That's where it goes wrong because everyone should be free to do what they want to do

MarsNirgal · 2019-07-27T21:33:21+00:00

I think there are two interpretations, one of them a certain amount of merit and another one not so much.

The first one is when some guys assume that just because you do things not traditionally perceived as masculine (like watching My Little Pony, taking care of children, doing housework, singing along to Barbie Girl or taking a rod up your ass) you cannot be considered a man.

This one can become incredibly prescriptive. I don't know if you've visited /r/gatekeeping, but according to some of the posts shared there in order to be a man you have to have a beard longer than your arms, have red meat for every meal, drive a car that guzzles up fuel and lift it with one hand to repair it with the other and be able to kill and skin a bear with your bare hands.

In that term, "fragile masculinity" means a fragile CONCEPT of masculinity, and I tend to agree with it. Let's face it, if your self-conception of manhood can be shattered by watching a pony show on TV it's not like that manhood is worth that much. I personally don't like the term, but I understand it, although I would prefer something like "performative masculinity" because it reduces being a man to performing being a man, or "prescriptive masculinity" because it establishes limits to what a man can decide to do with himself.

The second one refers to the perception that men take any action by women or feminism as direct attacks on them as men, on men as a whole and on masculinity as a concept. I think this one also has a certain degree of truth (there are some guys like that), but it has been abused a lot and has been used as a preemptive tactic. You don't like being grouped on with rapists? Fragile masculinity. You don't like being told you need to learn not to rape women even if you haven't done that and never would? Fragile masculinity. You don't like reading things like "kill all men" or "I bath in male tears"? Fragile masculinity.

That one I don't like that much, for obvious reasons.

Vorpal_Spork · 2019-07-27T22:34:26+00:00

I have no idea what you're even asking. Your grammar is terrible.

I have recently seen a message [complaining about neurology], suggesting it was down to masculinity being so fragile.

What's "it"?

My instinctive reaction is to reject this type of language

What type of language?

I'm trying to work out what might be the problem(s) with such language and theories.

This is the first time you've mentioned any theories.

Any thoughts?

Yes. You're too drunk. Go to bed.

Title	"Masculinity so fragile"
Author	wntk
Upvotes	23
Comments	12
Date	July 27, 2019 7:39 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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