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Mr. Teacher

lumloon

April 29, 2016
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http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/mr-teacher
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Title Mr. Teacher
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lumloon

Upvotes 11
Comments 10
Date April 29, 2016 4:49 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4gxxf5/mr_teacher/
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[–]grasshopa 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Speaking as a male who considered a career in education I can tell you what chased me off of the career path.

I was in 7th grade at the time. Jr High. History teacher(male) had just been suspended without pay because two students accused him of inappropriately touching them after class. Throughout all of 7th grade the entire school thought he was guilty, including faculty.

Then it comes out that the girls had been lying. Turns out one of them got a bad grade and so decided to file a false complaint and convinced a friend to do the same. 8th grade comes around and he was reinstated ( no back pay ). Turns out the guy is the best damn history teacher I'd ever have. Shit, years later I'd go back to him for help on highschool and, later, college history classes. He was amazing.

But that always stuck with me. How he was treated; how the school treated him. How it only took the word of a couple 13 year olds to turn this guy's life inside out. Even then I remember thinking, "If this had been a woman none of this would have ever happened".

I learned that lesson well and steered myself into a career which doesn't carry so much liability with so little pay.

[–]lumloon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But that always stuck with me. How he was treated; how the school treated him. How it only took the word of a couple 13 year olds to turn this guy's life inside out. Even then I remember thinking, "If this had been a woman none of this would have ever happened".

And indeed http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/teachers-union-worried-young-men-fear-career-in-schools-sex-abu/5449396

Some teacher's union document said male teachers are at a higher risk for false accusations compared to female teachers

https://www.kea.org/uploads/files/Legal/TeachButDontTouch.pdf Page 2:

Male teachers have to be especially careful when it comes to physical contact of any sort. While a female teacher’s touch may be perceived as comforting, a male teacher’s may be viewed as sexually suggestive. And male employees are far more likely to be accused of inappropriate contact with students than female employees. According to one expert, accusations involving female teachers and male students make up less than 5 percent of the cases.

[–]grasshopa 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's funny is that, years later, I knew a male student who felt he had been sexually assaulted by a female faculty member. He took it so far as to report it to police.

I remember watching the process, contrasting it against my history teacher's experience. The police sent him away without even bothering to record it; the highschool shut him down and ignored his complaints.

I don't know the validity of his accusations; he was a punk, so he was very probably full of shit. But then again, same as the two girls from before, only he was older at the time the accusations were made. Closer to being an adult. Yet the teacher wasn't suspended without pay. The accusation became something of a joke, both among students and staff. That was one of my early indicators that despite the cry for equality and women's rights, all was not as it seems.

[–]lumloon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder when that took place. Just now female teachers are being prosecuted for activity with both male and female students. For years that absolutely was NOT the case (though the woman's reputation was hit: In Streetcar Named Desire Blanche was run out of Laurel, Mississippi because she slept with a male student)

[–]KrisK_lvin 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Not so keen on the explanations given under the section Why Don't Men Teach? - basically, it seemed to be arguing that women’s work in elementary schools is undervalued and men don’t value women therefore edit [they] don’t become elementary school teachers because they edit [don’t] value the job and/or edit [they consider that] their ‘masculinity is too fragile’ and so they avoid joining a ‘girly’ profession.

It also makes the sexist, Feminist argument that:

Increasing the number of male teachers isn't primarily about providing more role models for boys […] "If you're working in a community that's 50 percent male, then your staff should be 50 percent male," says [Kitt Cox, program coordinator for the Massachusetts Family Network].

and

"If we had diversity in our workforce," says Just Holm, preschool manager with the City of Cambridge, "it would naturally create diversity in the activities and curriculum." This would create an environment in which both genders could succeed.

So again, this is men being invited into Elementary education not really for the sake of boys, but for the sake of girls so that both genders could succeed - notice “could” there suggesting it’s a remote possibility, not a present actuality (i.e. it’s implying that girls aren’t succeeding now)

… but, there was a lot other stuff in there that was very eye-catching:

[Just Holm, preschool manager with the City of Cambridge] has also started training female staff about what it's like to be a man in early childhood education, and how classrooms and schools might be too woman-centric. "I was amazed," he says, "at how little women knew about men.”

And this:

Young men considering teaching, says Washington, are concerned about potential abuse allegations and that they might be seen as pedophiles, even for accepting hugs or comforting kids. This, along with other prejudices that too often come along with the job, can wear male teachers out …

And the-e-e-e-re you go.

[–]lumloon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[Just Holm, preschool manager with the City of Cambridge] has also started training female staff about what it's like to be a man in early childhood education, and how classrooms and schools might be too woman-centric. "I was amazed," he says, "at how little women knew about men.” 

You can watch Monsieur Lazhar and there is a sense of alienation this male teacher from Algeria feels in a mostly-female elementary school environment

[–]KrisK_lvin 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That looks to be a fantastic recommendation with Monsieur Lazhar.

There’s a clear post-colonialist studies influence by the look of it (i.e. man escapes Algeria as a consequence of terroristic civil war - the violent legacy of French Imperialism; arrives in France to discover he knows more about France and French culture as a consequence of the mission civilisatrice than the French themselves do etc.).

But it still looks very cool.

If you like that, you should read E. R. Braithwaite's To Sir, With Love, which has a very similar plot except for it’s a high school in London, not an elementary in France (and it was semi-autobiographical and set in the 1950s).

[–]lumloon[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the recommendation! I'll take a look at it!

The setting of Monsieur Lazhar is actually Montreal but, yes, there's definitely a post-colonial vibe to it.

[–]KrisK_lvin 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, sorry! I’ve just watched that video trailer and even so I never realised that was Montreal! Doh!

There probably is a PC vibe there then, but not at all the one I’d understood from showing him dictating Balzac and stuff to the kids.

EDIT: Man! What an ass, I am! Just watched the trailer again - sure enough, there’s the crown symbol on the wall in the court and the girl at the end even calls Montreal out by name … tsk tsk

[–]garglemesh42 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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