Need some help debating my dad

LucasTrask · 2013-02-20T23:18:01+00:00

says a semen test will be done to prove if the woman was raped.

A common red flag in false accusations is an alleged victim who waits days, weeks, or months before reporting. No physical evidence, and still the alleged perpetrator is assumed to be guilty.

themountaingoat · 2013-02-21T00:15:19+00:00

How can a semen test tell if a woman was raped. All it can test is whether or not sex occurred.

On the other issues you can't really convince someone to care. However they probably effect him in some way, although not knowing anything about him I cannot tell whether they actually do or not.

prada_goddess · 2013-02-20T23:17:11+00:00

1) innocnet project (http://www.innocenceproject.org/) a site dedicated to convicted people who have been found innocent due to DNA testing. Average span is 13 years for an innocent person

http://www.rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog

There is a huge backlog on rape kits, so even if you get a rape kit tested, it can be months before it will actually be tested if at all.

2) Back to innocnet project, there is a pdf on the site of many case studies, including some of people on death row that were found innocent.

They also include "why it happens"

Bohica69 · 2013-02-21T01:43:08+00:00

Is he divorced? If not, just wait until then. Lol

themountaingoat · 2013-02-21T13:47:35+00:00

Even if you can't get your dad to care about male issues you might be able to get him to agree that feminist should stop making up problems and spreading lies about how bad women have it.

DerpaNerb · 2013-02-21T14:34:06+00:00

He thinks that false rape is bullshit, says a semen test will be done to prove if the woman was raped.

Do you just mean false rape accusations?

Just point him to the number of people who were accused, then charged, then imprisoned on rape charges weeks or months after the supposed rape happened... and then how they were released months/years later because it was false.

He seems to also think that every single rapist ever will cum inside the victim... do condoms not exist?

As for 2. No offense... but your dad seems to be pretty fucking stupid. I mean, it's totally valid that these things haven't affected him... but for 1) It's not hard to see the blatant legal/"legal" discrimination that men face and 2) He may not necessarily even realize he was affected.

jbates8 · 2013-02-21T14:39:01+00:00

You won't be able to convince him yourself. These types hold onto their opinions unless showed undeniable proof. What you'll need to do is sit him down on the computer and make him read some articles (preferably from places he'll recognize) and then explain the misandry in them.

You'll need to remember exact things he's said so you'll be able to find refutations worded in ways that exactly refute your fathers claims. If they aren't worded almost identically they will find a way to worm out of acknowledging whatever you show them. I've noticed this with feminists who claim information is irrelevant and then disengage from conversation.

mikesteane · 2013-02-24T07:36:00+00:00

Don't debate with your Dad. Unless he is truly exceptional, he will refuse to learn from you and your relationship with him is worth more than scoring points in a debate. If you must try to convince him of things, just get him a book e.g. The Myth of Male Power. He will probably be more willing to be convinced by a third party.

rightsbot · 2013-02-20T23:12:18+00:00

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Title	Need some help debating my dad
Author	Jetmann114
Upvotes	5
Comments	18
Date	February 20, 2013 11:11 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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