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sweet_panwitch · 2020-06-19T08:50:40+00:00

MEN ARENT OPPRESSED. Not trying to hate but I just want to know. What is going through your head...

sweet_panwitch

June 19, 2020

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Title	Say it with me now
Author	sweet_panwitch
Upvotes	0
Comments	95
Date	June 19, 2020 8:50 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/hbx88j/say_it_with_me_now/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/say-it-with-me-now.849496 https://theredarchive.com/post/849496

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[–]Cutler369 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I think the jobs thing was out of necessity, not because men wanted to. If you don’t mind my asking, are you a white straight man? I’m not black, trans, or female, so I don’t feel that it’s my place to judge their human experience or to tell them that what they’re experiencing isn’t real. I sometimes disagree with people who aren’t like me, but I think it’s healthy to exchange ideas and try to relate to each other as best we can. I just don’t know if telling people that they’re not oppressed, when they’ve expressed that they are, gets us anywhere. I don’t think that the narrative of historically white straight men ruling the world relates to what men are experiencing right now. Those men you speak of were a very small select group and don’t represent all or even most men. Do you think it’s possible that a group unlike your own can experience a pain you cannot relate to?

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[–]Cutler369 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. I agree that bad things happening does not equal oppression. But when those things keep happening over and over, and everyone turns around and acts like it’s not happening or worse say you deserve it, that is oppression. I do know that men work more dangerous jobs and are killed more often on the job, more men commit suicide, die in war, are subjected to police brutality, imprisoned, given harsher penalties and fines, subjected to genital mutilation in 1st world countries, lose custody battles and sexual harassment accusations with no investigation, most homeless are also men. All that and then we’re told to man up about it and that we’re somehow privileged.

Some have suggested looking at other threads, and I agree. Mostly because I think others have expressed it better than I can, and some of them have links to statistics and whatnot.

My impression is that you simply don’t relate to our experience, and that’s ok you don’t have to. If you’re into documentaries I recommend the The Red Pill and The Mask You Live In. Even if you walk away thinking it’s BS I think maybe it could offer insight into how it looks from our side.

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But... They choose to work more dangerous jobs. Most high risk jobs you need to go to college or some kind of school for, so that's not opression that's a choice. Yes it's extremely sad that men commit successful suicide then women. That is bc of societies harsh veiws on how masculinity should be alot of men don't get help. But that's not oppression. Again the millitary is male dominated so more males are gonna die. Also they choose to go to the millitary. Yes men are subjected to more police brutality but that's not a gender issue that's a color issue. Yes most men are given harsher penalties and fines, but this is mostly either bc of what the person has done or the person's color. When your talking about genital mutalation you mean circumcision it has many health benefits. The lose of custody battles is based off of what is going on at the home. The sexual assult with no investigation is horrible but it happens to all genders. When I reported bolth of my sexual assults the police just basically told me to fuck off. I went to 3 different stations. Most homeless people are men bc they're the majority.

Everything you just listed also happens to straight people. It's basically the same as coming out here and saying straight rights.

Yes I do enjoy documentaries quite alot I'll check them out. I encourage you to watch " feminists : what were they thinking" "period. End of sentence" "city of joy" " miss representation" "India's daughter" "equal means equal" and "the hunting ground" "

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[–]OzNajarin 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean it all stems from a big centralized toxic masculinity culture where unless us guys are 6 foot and follow very stereotypical mindsets like getting fucked and etc then you're kinda shit on by anyone and everyone just for being different. You're also considered a bit of a pussy if you're sad about a break up, family death, or you know. Anything. You better be making millions and fit a very specific mindset or God forbid any woman want you. You don't make amazing money? Not much of a man are you. I see you're 5'8. Little boy didn't drink his milk. Any job and etc will have you do manual labor over a women at the workplace(I've experienced this directly as mentioned at multiplie jobs and know others who've faced similar). It's actually more socially beneficial for you as a guy to just kinda fuck around and not care about then like to be caring and etc because that shit is seen as weak. Oh and if you're too nice you're a simp. No one ever complements you, if you complement a girl you're a creep and gay if you're a guy. Especially you get charged extra on car insurance too. I mean I could go on.

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Men are also subject to human trafficking, are dismissed about multiple kinds of sexual harrasment and domestic violence as apparently men cannot be hit, cursed at, or sexually assaulted without enjoying it. Dude men suffer too, and literally anyone and everyone at the top of society benefits from anyone not being able to rise up towards opposing positions of power. Like it should be really clear that EVERYONE SUFFERS. That's not even dencouning that women don't suffer or invalidates it but the fact that you're trying invalidate my gender's suffering shows that instead of trying to find equality and issue with the people at the top who make said issues possible you turn on the people that are also suffering at your level. Thus accomplishing what people at a higher power want you to do, not actually solve the problem but rather divide and seperate us through tribalistic infighting. And I'm not gonna be a fucking part of that shit. And if you really value change and growth so NOBODY suffers then you will too.

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[–]ApprehensiveMail8 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Women had to protest for our right to even vote."

Let's think about this one;

Check Your Privilege Quiz; gender voting rights edition

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1)Did you, personally, receive the right to vote on your 18th birthday?

If yes, give yourself 1 privilege point.

2) Were you, personally, required to register for the draft in exchange for your vote?

If yes, subtract 1 privilege point

3) Were your female ancestors denied the right to vote?

If yes, subtract 1 privilege point.

4) Did your male ancestors have the right to vote?

If yes, give yourself 1 privilege point.

5) Has your gender been the majority of the electorate your entire life?

If yes, give yourself 1 privilege point.

6) Has your gender been the minority of the electorate your entire life?

If yes, subtract 1 privilege point.

7) Are members of your gender more likely to be classified as "felons" and denied the vote by the government of the country that you live in than members of other genders?

If yes, subtract 1 privilege point.

8) Are you, personally, the president?

If yes, give yourself 100 privilege points. Otherwise, do nothing because being the same gender as the president is not inherently advantageous or disadvantageous to you as an individual.

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Now add it up.

I, like most males between the age of 18-118 have -2 privilege points.

How many do you have?

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I don't think anyone is literally "oppressed" in the west, I do think men get a crappier deal than women in society, there's all kinds of programs to boost women, but more importantly there is generally empathy for women across the board and alot of mollycoddling.

Something bad happens to a woman, everybody trips over each other to help.

When men need help they need to pick themselves up by the bootstrap.

Our lives are generally more dangerous, we die earlier, we get killed more often, we get heart attacks and strokes from stress and overwork.

Women always bring up "the vote" like 1 crappy vote makes any difference, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but at one point only land owners could vote.

After that they gave everybody the vote and controlled their opinions thru the media, it's kind of an Orwellian thing.

TL;DR - I think we're all screwed and the US doesn't care about anybody, not men or women, but just uses them as labor to generate wealth, taxes and consumption.

Men have it marginally worse, but women are dummies for thinking they're "liberated" to be used as work slaves.

I think once the honeymoon period is over, women will come to their senses and be like "oh shit, we got tricked" but it will be too late and we'll all be stuck at the office computing pi for our fearless capitalist overlords.

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Yep nobody in the west is opressed, poc and lgbtq+ community just left the country. Yea people really have empathy for women. It's great being scared to walk down the street, being catcalled every 10 minutes, and being called a slut for everything I do.

I agree America is fucked but some people are treated better then others bc of who they are.

How are they more dangerous bc every argument I've seen about that is something they choose, men don't get killed for the soul reason of being male, dying earlier is genetics not oppression, the heart attacks and strokes are again genetic.

Don't be a pussy and just say what you mean, we should repeal the 19th right bc 1 vote doesn't matter. Also are you forgetting that women weren't allowed to own land there for we couldn't vote.

Opinions have always been and will always be controlled by the media.

So women shouldn't have the right to enter the work force either...

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So first you say men aren't oppressed, now you say they are as long as they're poc or lgbt, last I heard poc were still "men."

Do women get catcalled, yes. Do some men live as invisible beings, yes. Do some women and men get called every name in the book, yes.

Socially men tend to do more dangerous jobs, and tend to put in more hours, tend to live more stressful lives as "providers" that are culturally enforced by judges and family courts.

This whole corporate plantation is a joke, votes are a joke, 200 years ago nobody punch a clock, people lived on their farm or homestead, grow things, raise the next generation, just like people have been doing for 10,000 years + without Anderson Cooper telling you who you should vote for, or umpteen candidates telling you "This time things are gonna be different" and it's never different, just go to work slaves and pay taxes so the %1'ers can go to vegas in a helicopter to the climate change conference and eat lobster.

Fuck the work force and the corporate plantation, fuck their electoral system and their parties too, the entire thing from the ground up is a dumpster fire.

Run along now back to your femtard paradise, no thinking required just go back and fill out the TPS reports and get paid 6 figures drinking your mocha-choca-frappucino, make sure you show your tits to everybody at the office while you're at it so you can get a promotion and sue everybody for sexual harassment.

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