Seeing the worst in each side.

toto_sher · 2019-04-07T15:12:36+00:00

What annoys me about female rights and male rights is when one side believes one side is all toxic for example a woman believe all men are rapists, then the males see that as all women hate men

Except this just isn't the case. We're constantly harassed by women for wanting the same rights as them. We don't do that to the other side.

Gaki-San · 2019-04-07T15:30:34+00:00

You have to judge movements by reality, not rhetoric.

On paper, it's perfectly reasonable for men and women to be equal, so it should be easy to get people on board for feminism, right?

The problem is that men and women in western nations ARE legally equal, and have been for quite some time, which is where the rhetoric starts to deviate from reality. The rhetoric says that our companies are discriminatory, both in pay and advancement, but the reality shows that there's all kind of explanations for 'wage gaps' and the fact men advance further and faster, and they all revolve around women's choices in industry, choices in jobs, choices in how much of their life to commit to work or effort to work vs their family and relationships, etc. The more feminists try to dishonestly advance this narrative of our nations being outrageously sexist, the more out of touch with the reality they get, and the harder it is to see their goals and aims as reasonable, anymore.

We're at the point where their rhetoric is almost nothing like the reality. In fact, we've got massive feminist organizations like the National Organization of Women in the US directly arguing AGAINST equal parenting. You don't get more of a gap between rhetoric and reality than an organization that says it's working for equality that actually argues against equality in real life.

So ... this is really a false equivalency you're working from. Feminists have the ear of government, they have power in society, they are making legislation and policy. Men's rights have NONE of those things. You're comparing a massive, nation spanning movement with influence and power to an often maligned fringe group, as if they are rough equivalents and opposites. Maybe, if MRAs ever get into a position where they are creating policy and legislation, we can have this conversation again and compare how well their rhetoric and reality match up, but at the moment, that's impossible.

toto_sher · 2019-04-08T10:48:48+00:00

First of all your using things that others are doing not my self and you basically suing NOW to represent feminism. Which is incorrect and I believe men don’t have the same rights as women.

Thai isn’t feminism these are radical and extreme people. Think... if woman want the same rights as men you’d have the same rights as us. Sooo... they are actually the same thing just who’s in the worst and who needs to be brought to equality... Both of us.

toto_sher · 2019-04-08T10:51:41+00:00

Yes because someone said reasons for feminism! I’m not saying now that men can only wear trousers and women can wear what the hell they like! Read the whole thing.

toto_sher · 2019-04-08T10:55:55+00:00

Yes... first For example, China, North Korea, Israel, Eritrea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Libya and Peru conscript both men and women. And also most have equal laws but it may be shown by predjidice by the judge which is not feminism and can be used when someone is not the best parent and the mother retains custody.

Title	Seeing the worst in each side.
Author	toto_sher
Upvotes	5
Comments	53
Date	April 7, 2019 2:50 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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