The education campaign

oneiorosgrip · 2012-12-06T12:50:58+00:00

This has been one of the points I've been trying to make on that topic - that the campaign is not based in reality, but treats men as animals by suggesting you don't know any better unless trained.

As I've said about this before:

This is an argument which has become entirely ridiculous from the feminist perspective. Their campaign makes several false assumptions.

Straw-Acquittal - the decades old concept they're arguing against, which assumes exoneration of the rapist due to measures the victim didn't take. What feminism is fighting here is not a reality, but a concept created during the movement's second wave to counter inquiries into accuser credibility in rape cases.
Straw-Limitation - Reserving the designation of rapist for only the male gender. "Teach men to not rape" ignores the very real equally heinous act of rape committed by females. Female rapists can victimize either sex. One of the most ignored, denied, and misunderstood sex crimes is female rape of another female, which I can assure you can be every bit as physically and mentally traumatic as male on female rape - possibly more - because unfortunately I can make a first-hand comparison.
Straw-Rapist - the equally fictional man who commits rape because he doesn't know it's wrong. This concept treats rape like it's an accident, not a human rights violation against the victim. The concept has been extended as a means of expanding the definition of rape to include circumstances which are not rape, diluting the meaning of the term from the deliberate act of bypassing or denying the victim's right to refuse sexual contact that it is, to any act of sexual contact where the accuser may later state non-consent. Feminists want that meaning expanded and diluted in order to avail to women the power to use the potential for accusation to increase female control in dating and casual interactions, not to protect women from actually being raped.
Straw-Victim - the woman so emotionally weak and helpless that when faced with sexual advances, she is physically unable do anything but participate as if willing, and therefore should not be held responsible for facing the terrible challenge of refusing to participate by not demonstrating interest, indicating refusal with rejecting body language like "closed" posture, turning away, or pushing, or voicing a term of objection, "No. Stop. Don't."
The straw victim's purpose is to create a hypothetical scenario in which a man may engage in sex with a partner who is averse to his actions, without knowing that she is averse, then later be labeled a rapist for his participation in that encounter.
When presented with the statement that rape is not an accident, feminists present the straw-victim as an individual who "freezes" in a when faced with sexual advances, and becomes helpless. The "frozen" victim is the counter to complaints of false allegations following active participation in a sex act which the accuser later regrets - a deliberate mischaracterization of the actions of both the accuser and the accused.
The significant difference between the regret-accuser and the "frozen" straw-victim is participation; a sex partner who pursues intercourse with a totally unresponsive, dismayed-looking person is still deliberately bypassing the right to refuse, by ignoring obvious signs, in which case his actions are not an accident or mistake. At the same time, the "freeze" behavior is not a natural response, but a learned response. By promoting it instead of advocating to teach kids to embrace a stronger, more self-reliant approach, feminists are promoting an unnecessary experience for people of all ages and all sexual identities.

It is in the interest of addressing false allegations and the use of allegations as a weapon that MRAs have to confront feminist efforts like this one which deny the real, existing factors involved in the crime of rape in order to impose their own description, designed not to protect women, but to create an image of men as violent-impulse-driven, unthinking animals who don't know to not commit heinous acts unless told; this campaign reduces the perception of male decision agency to a standard requiring female authority to direct male choices. And like rape, that reduction is also not an accident.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-12-06T12:55:57+00:00

I think I used another child's coloring pencils without asking and was told off - I sort of learned then to ask permission before using someone else's stuff, I just assumed their body came into the same category as I got older I guess.

rightsbot · 2012-12-06T12:40:18+00:00

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CyberToyger · 2012-12-06T12:56:25+00:00

I recall back in 7th grade in Sex-Ed, we were taught everything from how to have safe sex to making sure you have consent to not having sex while drunk. They really harped on the guys to "learn to go without if the girl doesn't want to do it with you", as if simply asking another girl or masturbation aren't 'gentlemanly proper' choices. But staying on topic, of course the thought never crossed their minds at all to teach girls not to take advantage of drunk guys even when they show clear signs of non-consent/resistance, a.k.a. rape. So guys are taught and vilified plenty, at least from my experience.

dinky_hawker · 2012-12-06T13:29:11+00:00

the chief problem, as I see it, is that teachers don't teach morality in schools. at best, they teach civil behavior.

yes, instead of basic morality.

Instead of "honesty", you're told not to lie to teachers, and to regurgitate your lessons. Your lessons also include history, presented with whichever flavor of anti-dwem is preferred on that particular week.

Instead of "courtesy" you're taught not to be overtly violent when the teacher is looking, to be subservient to women, and not to tattle on classmates when they're violent against you.

etc.

2012-12-06T19:49:24+00:00

The Feminist assumption that all men are evil rapists is far more damaging than they'd like to believe. I'm sure it actually encourages more men to rape women, a la "if they're calling me a dog then I may as well bark."

Stupid stupid women.

Title	The education campaign
Author	ScottFree37
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Date	December 6, 2012 12:38 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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