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The Project hosts left speechless during interview with controversial US film director

Gambizzle

June 9, 2017
31 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title The Project hosts left speechless during interview with controversial US film director
Author

Gambizzle

Upvotes 31
Comments 15
Date June 9, 2017 12:54 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6g55h6/the_project_hosts_left_speechless_during/
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Comments

[–]Gambizzle[S] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO the point is that Rosie Batty's ex-husband was seriously ill... he had a mental illness that caused their relationship to break down and brought him to the point of delusion where he took not only his son's life but his own life.

Rosie's then been seen as an angel for saying 'FUCKING VIOLENT MEN!!! BURN THEM ALL!!! WOMEN ARE BEING OPPRESSED!!! THIS IS ALL ABOUT WOMEN!!!!'

When actually... it was a mentally ill man killing his son (and himself). IMO Rosie's campaign against men has ignored a significant issue... mental illness. I'm not trying to excuse the father's violence, but if his mental illness was treated properly then all of this could have been prevented.

To me Rosie has a very 1-sided view of what happened and is too personally involved to see clearly. Two males lost their lives on that day due to mental illness. Why is this a women's rights issue?

[–]BoschColville 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The host claims that the "overwhelming majority" of fatal domestic violence is committed by men. Is that actually true? I thought women were more likely to murder their children, for example. Cassie needs to have these stats at the ready when she goes into the lion's den.

[–]iainmf 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a situation where you can carefully pick you terms (or definitions) to get the result you want. If you look at intimate partner violence there are more male perpetrators of homicide. If you look at domestic violence as violence that occurs at home then things get much more complicated.

For example, mothers are the biggest killer of children, depending on how you look at it. IIRC biological mothers kill more than biological fathers, but stepfathers kill quite a lot too. So if you looked at male vs female you might see more males killing children.

[–]Singulaire 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if you pick intimate partner homicide, 25% of Australian victims are men, so you'd have to be an idiot to say that you can just ignore the male side of the problem. In any other category of domestic homicide, men are the majority, and overall they account for 40% of domestic homicide victims.

Hell, the Royal Commission on Family Violence concluded just last year that there is an embarrassing lack of support for male victims and an embarrassingly high level of social tolerance for family violence against men (page 209). And yet in spite of this, less then a year later Victoria started rolling out a program that explicitly seeks to teach school-aged children that male victims aren't real and "domestic violence" is just a euphemism for "male violence"

[–]ZimbaZumba 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a situation where you can carefully pick you terms (or definitions) to get the result you want.

Nicely put.

[–]completel 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cassie was on the show to talk about her film, not defend men's rights or defame feminists. She did an excellent job of expressing her position, promoting her film, and not get dragged into some useless argument that ends in name-calling. Even if it's not what you may have wanted her to do, she did what she needed to get the message out that her film should be watched and given a fair shake.

[–]sociopathwithrice 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One important issue that many feminists conveniently leave out is domestic violence induced suicide. It's still "death due to domestic violence", but since it isn't a homicide, it isn't counted.

http://mediaradar.org/docs/Davis-DomesticViolenceRelatedDeaths.pdf

"The report Domestic Violence Fatalities (2005) (Utah Department of Health, 2006) notes that there were 44 suicides and 21 homicide domestic violence-related deaths in Utah in 2005. Using data from the Surveillance for Violent Deaths – National Violent Death Reporting System, 16 States, 2005 (Karch et al, 2008), it is possible to extrapolate that as many as 7,832 male and 1,958 female domestic violence-related suicides occur annually in the US. When domestic violence-related suicides are combined with domestic violence homicides, the total numbers of domestic violence-related deaths are higher for males than females. This paper recommends that to understand the broad scope and tragic impact of domestic violence, further research is needed concerning domestic violence-related suicide."

Feminists also try to say injury rates are higher for women, but that isn't always the case either:

http://www.mensstudies.info/OJS/index.php/IJMH/article/viewFile/505/pdf_260

"A review of the research literature indicates that female intimate partner violence (IPV) is as frequent as male IPV. It is just as severe and has much the same consequences for males as for females."

They cite tons of studies to support this:

"Ehrensaft, Moffitt, and Caspi (2004) also studied the Duned in birth cohort and found that nine percent were in “clinically abusive relationships,” defined as those that required intervention by a physician, the police, or a lawyer. More such help exists for women than for men, and they are more likely to use it so the results may be skewed. However, the authors found comparable rates of violence in both sexes, with 68 percent of women and 60 percent of men self-reporting injury. Both male and female perpetrators evidenced signs of personality disturbance.The authors noted, for instance, abuse was that the women had “aggressive personalities and/or adolescent conduct disorder” (p.267). As the authors put it, “These findings counter the assumption that if abuse was ascertained in epidemiological samples, it would be primarily man-to-woman, explained by patriarchy rather than psychopathology” (p. 258)."

"The largest and most comprehensive of all dating violence studies was a cross-cultural study of partner violence in a sample of 6,900 university students from seventeen nations (Douglas & Straus, 2003). The authors found that adolescent girls were 1.15 times more likely to assault male partners than were adolescent boys, regardless of whether overall assault or severe assault rates were considered. In Scotland, severe assault was 5.52 times much more likely to be perpetrated by females than by males. In the Singapore sample, females were 4.57 times more likely than males to assault their partner. In the New Zealand sample, females were 2.96 times more likely than males to assault their partner. In this study, male-perpetrated injury rates were 8.1 percent (serious injury 2.6%), while female-perpetrated injury rates were 6.1 percent (serious injury 1.2%)."

"Buzawa and her colleagues (1992), in a study of the police arrest policy in Detroit, found that “male victims reported three times the rate of serious injury as their female counterparts” (38% compared to 14%). The police rarely arrested a female perpetrator. As the authors put it, “Not one male victim was pleased with the police response. They stated that their preferences were not respected by the officers, nor was their victimization taken seriously” (p. 268). The lack of police responsiveness occurred regardless of the degree of injury. For example, one male reported requiring hospitalization for being stabbed in the back, with a wound that just missed puncturing his lungs."

[–]ahabs_beard 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone else really irked that the headline mentions neither Cassie Jaye, the name of the film, OR THE TOPIC IT'S ABOUT.

What exactly is the name of this concept where there's what could only be described as a 'headline bias' against men's rights? I recall coming across it a while ago whenever Boko Haram would abduct or shoot up a school and if it was girls, the headline would use 'girls', whereas if it was boys, the headline said 'students'. And does anyone get that vibe in this headline?

[–]Gambizzle[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For sure, it's a smug headline...

[–]ZimbaZumba 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

  • In the general context of domestic violence, death via an intimate partner is very uncommon. Also, in a general sense, death via an intimate partner is extremely uncommon, it is the same range as death by falling out of bed.

  • "Overwhelming" is a highly subjective term. A factor of 2 or 3 is arguably not overwhelming, especially as murder by proxy is not recorded in these figures and we are dealing with low numbers.

  • Domestic violence related deaths are not overwhelming committed by men when you include children.

  • "Children are factored into this", they are? Why then the term "Violence against Women and Girls".

  • "It this all you get out of this?" I ask the same of him, what he is taking out of this is that which supports his narrative.

This guy was doing a box standard ambush and smear interview, ie pushing the media narrative and attacking dissenters of that view. It was a smorgasbord of 3rd rate framing tricks, Orwellian re-definition of terms, dishonest use of statistics and a Pandora's box of 'have you stopped beating you wife ' questions.

They call this journalism these days.

Chomsky has talked about this type of shit for years. The media is just a propaganda machine, as was evident by interview. The only way to stop this nonsense is not do the interview in the first place

[–]iamanarci 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

+1

[–]completel 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The propaganda/public relations machine a hundred years old and a well oiled beast. The MRM message needs to get out before they figure out how to censor social media. I implore everyone to make as many acquaintances with feminists and have meaningful level headed conversations. The more converts we can get to acknowledge men's issues, the more the balances can change. Miss Jaye's documentary is a brave new tool in the movement.

[–]Gambizzle[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironically this is the guy who said you can't just write-off political extremists as being 'extremists', you need to engage with them properly and have detailed conversations with them or you risk pushing them further towards the margins.

Funny how when he sees views as being extreme, the rules change.

[–]DrinkItInMan11 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too bad Steve Price wasn't on the show. He would gave sided with Cassie on everything

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed that no matter what happens when the argument about domestic violence in particular starts not one of them explains why they are so against men getting help and all they do is cite domestic violence statistics as if that somehow justifies them ignoring male victims.

They never answer the fucking question or talk about the subject at hand, this is something we're going to have to figure out how to deal with eventually or these people will remain in power forever.

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