What is killing marriage.

The-Official_Soro · 2019-05-09T14:01:08+00:00

There's no real advantage for men to get married

djc_tech · 2019-05-09T17:23:06+00:00

There is no advantage to marrying. Even as wages/salaries and job opportunities are even between the genders - the court system penalizes you for being the male. It seizes your child and assets and redistributes them to a woman who is more than capable of surviving on her own. In fact, educational trends show more women graduating college. To top it off your kids are ripped out of your arms.

In this day in age - I wouldn't have my son get married or have kids. It's not worth it.

tenchineuro · 2019-05-09T14:12:23+00:00

They recognised that “A shift of resources away from the married couple’s allowance would, of course, affect married men’s take-home pay.” They acknowledged that this might be politically unpopular but discussed various strategies by which it might be done. After a continuous campaign to end the Marriage Tax Allowance and spend the money on needy mothers, the feminists had their way in 1999.

Under the new system even married parents with children were treated as individuals. A family of two working individuals (each earning £21,000) living with their children would benefit hugely from the personal tax allowance liability, which would allow them each their first £10 K tax free, compared with a single earner earning £42,000. Similarly, neither of the working couple would be liable for the 40% tax rate, whereas a single earner family would be liable for this rate although the family take home pay came to the same amount. On top of this, they manipulated the Child Benefit, the Tax Free Childcare Allowance, and the Child Benefit Tax Charge in ways which ensured that any family where the woman dared not to work outside the home would substantially miss out. It is detailed here.

Penalising the single-earner family

The result has been that a single earner married couple with two children, on 75% of the average wage ‑‑ a typical aspirational family ‑‑ face a Marginal Effective Tax Rate of nearly 73% ‑‑ higher than any other OECD country. Consequently, poverty has been heavily concentrated among single earner families and, of course, families with more children, where the mother is least likely to be able to work.

It also means that the main breadwinner is unable to increase his or her income because it would simply mean taxes would increase and benefits decline. This destroys the rewards of work and undermines the incentives to get on. It also means that employers have little incentive to raise wages because only the Treasury will benefit. The result is dependence on welfare and a mother who is forced out to work.

At the same time, processes that discourage marriage or even couple formation as a “tax trap” mean that some families are financially better off living apart. The Institute of Fiscal Studies said in 2010 that 95 percent of all single people would incur a couple penalty if they married or started to live together as a couple. Half of these would face a penalty of £101 per week. This is being tweaked by the Universal Credit but the situation is not about to change significantly.

Sociologist Patricia Morgan explains how the expansion of means tested or “targeted” welfare has meant that further and further up the income distribution, the state outbids husbands and fathers transforming them into liabilities. This may be why ‑‑ although the affluent are very much more likely to be married than the those with lower incomes ‑‑ the trend away from marriage is gradually working its way up the social scale.

The result of these policies has been that the UK has the highest rate of family instability in the developed world. Fatherlessness and resulting poverty are associated with poor social outcomes in education and employment, with increased mortality, crime, further family breakdown and drug abuse. This has been estimated to cost the UK 51 billion a year in lost tax revenue, benefits, housing, health, social care, civil and criminal justice and education.

Wow, I was not aware of this happening in the UK.

But they do the same in the US. I did my taxes, then I added in my wife's and the refund dropped to nearly half.

UsedToBeRadical · 2019-05-09T15:23:27+00:00

Destroying the marriage has unironically destroyed the working class. I hope these pseudo-Marxists are proud of their achievements.

Rich people are more likely to get married and stay married than low class people.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-marriage-divide-how-and-why-working-class-families-are-more-fragile-today

Meanwhile broken families and single motherhood make poverty for low class people even worse.

https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/

We're entering a stage where the elites will have intact, patriarchal families, while the peasants will be living in poverty and raised in matriarchal single-mother households.

This is actually a thing that happened to the Mosuo in China. The nobles destroyed the marriage for the peasants to keep them subjugated.

https://www.thenanjinger.com/magazine/feature-stories/mosuo-tribe-progressive-oppressive/

As idealistic as this sounds, scholars have countered all sides of the argument. Author of “Quest for Harmony”, Chuan-Kang Shih, says that this system was put in place to ensure marriage came secondary, as the priority was placed on family, sex and reproduction. Cai Hua, in his book, “A Society without Fathers or Husbands: The Na of China”, points out an important historical fact that their social organisation has traditionally been feudal, with a small nobility controlling a larger peasant population.

“The Mosuo nobility practiced a ‘parallel line of descent’ that encouraged cohabitation, usually within the nobility, in which the father passed his social status to his sons, while the women passed their status to their daughters. Thus, if a Mosuo commoner female married a male serf, her daughter would be another commoner, while her son would have serf status”. Cai theroises that the matriarchal system of the Mosuo lower classes was enforced by the nobility to minimise threats to their power.

The same thing also happened during the slavery era, where the slave owners tried to emasculate the black males and encouraged black women to be in charge.

Title	What is killing marriage.
Author	ChensKitchen
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Date	May 9, 2019 1:52 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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