What's wrong with circumcision?

increasing_entropy · 2011-07-30T13:57:48+00:00

I am circumcised, and I am proud to be. I don't need to clean out my foreskin in the shower, and I have more nerve endings (which means better sex for me)

Troll much?

This lecture explains what's wrong with circumcision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM-SkwGEf0

danny4i · 2011-07-30T15:26:27+00:00

I've said this elsewhere and I'll say it here too. There is nothing wrong with circumcision per se. What IS wrong with most of the circumcisions performed today however, is that they are performed without the consent of the person that has to live with the effects of the procedure for the rest of his entire life. If some man of reasonable age decides he no longer wishes to have a foreskin for whatever personal reason, he has every right to have it removed and I wish him luck in his endeavors. I am anti-non-consensual-irreversible-plastic-surgery, not anti-circumcision.

Leprecon · 2011-07-30T15:27:15+00:00

I am circumcised, and I am proud to be.

Good for you

I don't need to clean out my foreskin in the shower,

Because you don't have one..

and I have more nerve endings (which means better sex for me)

Less actually, how can removing something give you more?

because the foreskin protects the penis from thorns and branches when we run around naked, like in the old days.

So you argue that your penis is more sensitive because it is protected by your foreskin, the lack of which gives you more nerve endings. This non existent foreskin doesn't need to be washed. What?

The foreskin contains nerves. By removing it you lose nerves. By removing it your penis doesn't magically grow more nerves.
Yes foreskin no longer protects you from twigs, thorns, and branches. Now it protects you from keratinization and scraping against your pants. People who get circumcised later in life feel a discomfort when walking around because pants moving against the penis is just way too much contact. This discomfort goes away gradually while the penis gets less sensitive.
How many times have you had sex with a circumcision versus the amount of times you had sex without one?

About the functionality of the foreskin: Despite being a part of the body which is lots of fun and feels great, it also acts as a sort of lubricant. I for one have never used lubricant whilst masturbating because I don't need to. When I masturbate I hold my penis on one place and when I move my hand up and down the skin I am holding sort of moves with. My hand always stays on the same part of the skin.

I greatly appreciate your reply to someone with whom you disagree saying

so my penis is wrong?

as if that is one of the only two options. If you are right about circumcision your penis is right, and if you are wrong about circumcision then your penis is wrong. The fact that you have such a mindset only shows that you have an ulterior motive. You have to be right about circumcision else your penis might be "wrong". This isn't true, it is a false dichotomy. If you can stick it in a woman (or man) and have a good time, then your penis is right. This however doesn't change the fact that it is unnecessary cosmetic surgery done on a childs genitals without his consent that does have some (very ignored) functions.

It is cosmetic surgery. That is the main reason it is done, so the child fits in with the rest. Whole generations grow up without seeing an uncircumcised penis and this only makes it so that they accept that as the norm. If 95% of people would get their earlobes cut off at birth then soon the majority of people wouldn't have earlobes. Someone with earlobes wouldn't fit in. People with earlobes would get them cut later in life to fit in. Parents would make the decision that they don't want their child to be left out so they shouldn't have earlobes either. Some study would show up that people with earlobes have a 5% heightened risk of catching an ear infection. This would be based on around 40 people in Africa getting an ear infection. Then all of a sudden ear lobes are a health risk. This only adds to the stigma of having earlobes because people think it doesn't look nice and is dirty. People travelling to Europe would be surprised by all the earlobes. And for some reason Europeans wouldn't have more ear infections than everybody else.

Eryemil · 2011-07-30T16:01:33+00:00

I don't need to clean out my foreskin in the shower [...]

Would you also remove your ears in order to avoid having to wash behind them?

[...] and I have more nerve endings [...]

This is illogical nonsense; how can you permanently reduce something yet claim that it is in fact more after the fact than before? The foreskin itself is erogenous.It is the most fine-touch sensitive area of the penis. You have less sensation, not more.

Apparently baby boys do not feel any pain when it is done.

Wrong. Babies feel as much pain as adults, if not more. A century ago it was believed that babies did not feel pain and they were subjected to all forms of surgery without any anaesthesia. Even today, adequate pain relief is not provided for all circumcision performed in the United States. It is in fact, very likely that you were not given any pain relief at all as a child and your "bored" expression was in fact you going into shock from the pain.

It's also not mutilation, in my opinion, because it is not the removal of anything that you actually use.

Do you, as a male, "use" your nipples? The foreskin is erogenous, highly sensitive and protects the fragile mucosa of the inner foreskin and glans.

It also might be just me, but aren't there more women who are against it than men?

In places where female circumcision is common, men prefer their women to be circumcised just as much as American women seem to prefer circumcised men. It is not a very good argument and to pass it off as one would be fallacious.

abk0100 · 2011-07-30T17:52:34+00:00

NO ONE needs to "clean out" their foreskin. At most, you need to take half a second to pull it back and let water run over it. Unless you live in a third-world country, then "smegma" is a myth. It takes way less time to clean an uncircumcised penis than it does to even wash a single fingernail.

2011-07-30T23:28:48+00:00

Pride has nothing to do with it--it's about choice. You want to cut off some part of your body for no reason? Fine--you can wait until you're old enough and pay for it with your own money, like the rest of Hollywood. But you're trying to conflate personal choice (which I would bet you weren't given) with socially-mandated unnecessary scarification of infants. Would you feel similarly if it became popular to cut off baby boys' noses? Lop off their ears or the tips of their tongues? So long as the babies don't feel the pain (which is a bald-faced lie), is it okay to cut off whatever we like? And since it's "not the removal of anything that you actually use," can we go ahead and give our baby girls a labioplasty? After all, it's not like the skin has any use, right?

Sickening.

2011-07-31T03:07:31+00:00

hi, i'm a circumcised man also, and i'm not against circumcision per se.

what i am opposed to is non-consensual cosmetic surgery. no one should be forced to undergo a cosmetic procedure without their consent. it's against basic medical ethics and is a violation of a person's right to bodily integrity.

i am troubled by something very strange you said, however, that having part of your penis removed somehow gave you "more nerve endings". if you're not just trolling, you ought to know that removing several thousand nerves from your penis means that you (and i) have fewer nerve endings, not more. i just wanted to help clarify that for you.

rosconotorigina · 2011-07-30T15:19:12+00:00

Because it's taking a newborn baby and cutting off part of its penis for no reason.

kloo2yoo · 2011-07-30T15:53:57+00:00

typical ptsd response

Circumcised males often feel great anxiety regarding their circumcision. This manifests itself in a reluctance to talk about circumcision or an assertion that “I’m circumcised and I’m fine.”9 van der Kolk (1989) reports some traumatized males also have a compulsion to reenact or repeat the trauma.10 These feelings emerge as the “adamant father” syndrome. Typically, a circumcised father will irrationally and adamantly insist that a son undergo circumcision, although this is contrary to contemporary medical advice.

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/statement06.html

SinisterCanuck · 2011-07-30T14:33:04+00:00

I'm circumcised and have had no problems nor do I feel like I have been "mutilated". This whole controversy is way over blown.

Zahx · 2011-07-30T14:38:36+00:00

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Title	What's wrong with circumcision?
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