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Woman's 2 y/o Son Disappears - Circumstances Suspicious - Courts Place 4 y/o Daughter In Foster Care Instead of with Father

Peter_Principle_

November 10, 2011

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016724529_missing10m.html

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Title	Woman's 2 y/o Son Disappears - Circumstances Suspicious - Courts Place 4 y/o Daughter In Foster Care Instead of with Father
Author	Peter_Principle_
Upvotes	22
Comments	20
Date	November 10, 2011 4:47 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m7k6i/womans_2_yo_son_disappears_circumstances/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/womans-2-yo-son-disappears-circumstances.1031880 https://theredarchive.com/post/1031880

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Peter_Principle_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]chavelah 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Peter_Principle_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When a kid disappears, the parents are always the most likely suspects.

Three things you gotta do here, dawg:

1) Source that claim. 2) Assuming you demonstrate 1) above such that it would apply to this case, explain why you think sociological data is evidence enough for the state to revoke rights without a trial.
3)Explain why the parent who was nowhere near the child when the disappearance happened should be considered a suspect.

Her word should count for nothing - in either direction.

Great, so since her testimony is the basis for the restraining order, the restraining order is now null and void. And yet you still advocate leaving the RO in place, which means that you think her testimony does count for something. Either you are being inconsistent, or you think there is a realistic possibility she was telling the truth about the father being abusive but now she's lying and saying that he's ok to take care of her daughter. Why would she do that?

[–]aaomalley 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The state is 100% justified in removing a child from parental custody in a situation such as this. A 4 year old cannot defend itself, and it needs someone to advocatenfor it. The parents in this case are of suspect parenting ability, not saying one or both of them are not good parents but certainly there is reason for concern and investigation. If they placed the child with the father and all of a sudden that kid disappeared as well you would likely be calling for heads to roll, and rightfully so. The best interests of the child should always, without question, be of primary concern when discussing custody. Remember, this is a temporary order, once an investigation has taken place, and should the father be deemed fit, the child will be placed with him.

The state has the right to protect society as a whole when alleged crimes take place. Now, I am the worlds most fervent believer in innocent until proven guilty, but that must be balanced with the needs of society as well, otherwise one is just being obtuse. When someone is accused of murder they are presumed innocent, that doesn't stop the court from ordering restrictions which can include being remanded to state custody until a trial can take place and we can be certain there is no risk to society. In addition to protecting society s a whole there is a deeper and more important duty of the justice system to protect the weakest and most vulnerable of society above all others, that means children. That means that when there is sufficient doubt as to the ability of a parent to prerly care for a child, which exists in this case given the father made at least one proven dangerous decision by leaving his child unattended in a car and has other allegations against him thatnare as of yet unproven, despite the fact there is less than 100% proof enough evidence exists to take a safety precaution involving removing the child, ensuring it's safety, and making 100% sure that no risk exists to the child from the father. As soon as the father shows that he is safe, which if he is a good dad will be easily dome and not take very long, then he will get custody of his daughter and should be ultimately thankful that people cared so much as to ensure his child was safe (something wasn't done when they placed the children with the mother).

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