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Wouldn't it be nice if..

InBaggingArea

October 29, 2012

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Title	Wouldn't it be nice if..
Author	InBaggingArea
Upvotes	0
Comments	43
Date	October 29, 2012 4:29 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/12a5eh/wouldnt_it_be_nice_if/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/wouldnt-it-be-nice-if.1010315 https://theredarchive.com/post/1010315

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[–]BuncyTheFrog 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]JesusSaidSo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This may be true. Perhaps I was stereotyping to some extent. But doesn't what I said seem true? Doesn't it seem that society treats men that way. Society is an abstract noun. What does it refer to? People treat groups, not society. And people, many of them women, do treat men in this way.

It just suddenly struck me how unnecessary this all is. Men and women were born to love one another. Why can't they just do that? Why all the ranting and raving and furrowed brows? Where does this come from?

In a way, you have answered this. It is due to being hurt or harmed in some way, often multiple times. Well I guess that's an answer. Thanks.

I guess I should just be grateful I haven't been hurt or harmed. But doesn't it seem a bit unfair that we men in general should be made to stand equal as collectively guilty for the wrongs of the few? And isn't it then the case that others are generalizing and stereotyping us?

All the same, thanks for your answer. It makes some sense.

[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]JesusSaidSo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

[–]BuncyTheFrog 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trolling, however, your post does contain something. You presumably find the thought I expressed mysogynistic or hateful. But how?

I appreciate that you are scared to fall into a trap in which you are goaded into fitting a hostile stereotype. But really, the best thing to do is just treat the post as real and deal with it accordingly.

If I have said something you disagree with, then please simply explain why. Nobody can then think you are matching up to a stereotype. I will benefit from learning where you think I have gone wrong. Perhaps one of the other posters already did this to some extent.

Really, I can't see how what I have posted makes me a bigot or a rape supporter. Is it just the age of the account that is the problem. Why not treat the post on its merits.

I was worried some people might say I was silly for posting such a flippant, throw-away remark in a thread of its own, but not this. By being this hostile towards new posters aren't you in danger of turning away people from the sub and doing your enemy's work for them?

I fail to see the point in reacting this way.

[–]JesusSaidSo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be nice if women could just stop complaining about men

Baiting

love them the way we want to

Baiting

what have we done to them anyway?

Baiting

Any response anyone makes will be misconstrued and taken out of context by you and the people you associate with. It happens all the time. You are not here for a genuine discussion. You are here to troll. The best response is not to respond to shit you say regarding your trolling attempt other than to call you out for it.

As far as putting off new posters. You aren't new. You've probably been on reddit a while. NO ONE EVER comes into reddit, notices a smaller, non default subreddit, and creates an account specifically for their first post, which smacks of trolling.

You didn't comment to shit first, you didn't post something relevant, you didn't add anything to any conversation ever. Your first post is literally to try and entrap someone, anyone, into saying something you can spin to your friends about "how MRAs are".

PS: Get the fuck out, SRS troll.

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Any response anyone makes will be misconstrued and taken out of context by you and the people you associate with.

Any response anyone makes to this or any other post ~~will~~ may be misconstrued and taken out of context by you and the people you associate with.

You take your chances no matter what you say when. The best you can do is be careful to say what you mean. Always. That's really all you can do.

You are not here for a genuine discussion.

Yes I am. You are the one who is not genuinely discussing. You've just dismissed me. Besides, how in the world would you know what I'm thinking? How dare you tell me to "get the fuck out". What kind of genuine discussion is that?

You are here to troll.

Err..no. I'm not. What are you here for?

The best response is not to respond to shit you say regarding your trolling attempt other than to call you out for it.

The best response to a troll is not to respond at all. Why are you even bothering, if that's really what you believe. And what is this "calling me out for it"? How arrogant is that? Is that your job? Is that why your username is "JesusSaidSo"? Am I talking to the son of God?

As far as putting off new posters. You aren't new. You've probably been on reddit a while.

Yes I have.

NO ONE EVER comes into reddit, notices a smaller, non default subreddit, and creates an account specifically for their first post, which smacks of trolling.

It may do, but not necessarily. This is your big mistake. Have you considered I may simply have been afraid of the dismissive reaction I would get for saying such a thing? Maybe I simply wanted to see how others felt. If you disagree, fine. But the last think I expected was this. It shows how defensive this sub is. But really, you'd be better just ignoring the hostility from outside and getting on with being real. People can always quote you out of context no matter what you do. You can't stop that. But if what you say is reasonable and fair then you can mount a defense.

I remember seeing a GirlWritesWhat video where she said one of the good things about reddit was the ability to play around with identities somewhat. You should be careful be all means with new accounts, but treating them automatically as trolls is not justified. And as I keep saying, even if they are trolls, the best thing you can do, if you must respond at all, is treat what they have said on its merits.

You didn't comment to shit first

Not under this identity, no. So what? Is that against the law? Everybody has to have a first post at some point. If I had posted this as my hundredth post would it then be all just hunky dorey? If not, why not? You have to say what is instrincially wrong with the thought it expresses. If so, then why not just leave me alone? What is the point of treating me like this. I know as I type this you'll probably be slagging me off numerous other places too.

you didn't post something relevant, you didn't add anything to any conversation ever.

Yes I did.

Your first post is literally to try and entrap someone, anyone, into saying something you can spin to your friends about "how MRAs are".

See, this is what I don't get. What are people going to say? "Yes, you are right. Women are always complaining". SRS reinterpretation: "Why, those MRAs are forever saying women are always complaining". How does this work? How does this make MRAs look bad? Could you explain this kindly, please, if you will explain nothing else. I would like to know.

And if you would do what you accuse me of not doing, and just take a look at this subreddit, you will find a lot worse things said about women than that they complain about men. You're being totally ridiculous.

Oh, and did I say: "Get the fuck out, troll". Can't pay enough attention to detail, can we?

EDITED for grammar and spelling.

[–]JesusSaidSo 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]JesusSaidSo 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Get the fuck out. I don't care what you have to say, I don't care what you feel, I don't care what you think.

Get. The. Fuck. Out.

Whatever it is you're trying to accomplish through trolling, you failed, hard.

All you'll get is a few responses from me calling you out for being an SRS/Atheism+/Feminist troll.

If you wanted a serious conversation, you should have started one. If you wanted to speak with anonymity, you should have come with a reason why.

Let me quote you one of the mod policies for this subreddit.

Young accounts are given no tolerance.

This is not because we do not want new people into this subreddit, this is because of trolls like you. People that have a motive, create a new account, and then post shit here.

Not but a week or two ago, a brand new account started private messaging people here with supposed personal information about a variety of people. They did so in order to try and frame people and get them banned. These are the sorts of underhanded tactics that people like you use to try and dominate others.

Again, get the fuck out, troll.

[–]InBaggingArea[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For the hundredth time, I am not a troll. How can you read my mind?

I accept that young accounts are given no tolerance. I already read that rule. I was aware of it when I posted. What I don't get is what it is about my post that makes is intrinsically trollish? How is it such a bad thing for a man to feel this way? Although you won't answer, I genuinely wanted to know. That's all. If you don't agree, say so. That's fine. If it illicits the response "Yes I hate women too and like beating my wife", then, hey, I would say actually that's not what I was thinking. You could upvote me, even. How is that showing tolerance? If an account is young and is intrinsically trollish, then fine. But does not showing tolerance mean nobody can ever make a first post here no matter what, or does it mean they can't self-post? Is that it? You tell me, Sparky. But don't forget to re-iterate that I'm a troll, otherwise people might not realize. They need Jesus to save them, evidently.

[–]InBaggingArea[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]rightsbot -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

[–]JesusSaidSo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]JesusSaidSo 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[+]Manzboobz 13 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Hint

let us get on and love them the way we want to

Hint

[–]InBaggingArea[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link