Since TRP is largely based on evolutionary psychology, can we say that trp principles are accurate?

tiposk · 2016-10-08T00:46:56+00:00

1) All scientific fields study people from a very narrow perspective. In order to understand how people behave, it is necessary to take into consideration many other disciplines. evo psych only explains a small part of us.

2) Many of conclusions made by evo psych are theories. It is not possible, at least for now to know precisely how our ancestors lived, what is nature and what is nurture and if the behavior of our ancestors (and ours) is hardwired or is simply a manifestation of our genes under certain cultural situations.

3) TRP uses a heavily cherry-picked version of evo psych to base their principles on, so it doesn't matter is evo psych is accurate.

OfSpock · 2016-10-08T10:47:47+00:00

Red pill didn't seem to like my post 'Men Are Lazy' and I backed that up with quotes from a book on evolutionary psychology.

[deleted] · 2016-10-08T07:41:35+00:00

No, because evopsych is a highly flawed school of research. It's less "science" and more "unfalsifiable and untestable guesswork".

dakru · 2016-10-08T01:40:41+00:00

There's actual academic evolutionary psychology which, although far from perfect for a variety of reasons, deserves to be taken seriously. Some TRP ideas are backed up by this. For example, the idea that women have a tendency to care more about social status in a partner while men have a tendency to care more about youth in a partner---that's pretty red pill, and it has grounding in actual work by real academics. Take a look at David Buss' Wikipedia page and his actual work, for example.

Then there's also a lot of junk "evolutionary psychology" from amateurs on TRP that's not backed up by that academic work, and really seems to just be nothing more than "I see many women in my social circle do this, it must be female nature" or "it seems plausible that [this trait] could evolve more in one gender than the other, and that's enough for me to call it female nature" layman speculation.

So the extent to which TRP is actually solidly based on evolutionary psychology varies a lot.

[deleted] · 2016-10-08T02:37:23+00:00

Let's say the ladies say yes... Then what?

Let's say they say no? The what.

I'll be at the gym, throw another tattoo arm on Twitter, call it a day.

For science!

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[deleted] · 2016-10-08T05:46:45+00:00

Are their claims testable, repeatable, or falsifiable? If not, then they are worthless pseudoscience.

No-one knows - or can ever know (barring a time machine) - the social and sexual behaviour and relationships of our ancestors. It's guesswork, and consequently has no value whatsoever.

The best glimpse we can get of how our societies were in the recent past is to observe the social and sexual behaviour of uncontacted and semi-contacted people around the world, and to look for common factors which they share.

Even then, if common behaviours were found, that would only go back as far as 60,000 years or so, which is a blink of the eye in terms of evolution.

adrixshadow · 2016-10-09T05:14:06+00:00

Its not evolutionary psychology that puts the nail in the coffin.

Its biology.

Every man who looked at how pregnancy works will not trust a women ever again.

[deleted] · 2016-10-09T09:31:48+00:00

I'm just about finished my psych degree and evolutionary psych is generally considered to be very unscientific :) It's not even something we learn about - it'll just be mentioned in passing every now and then, and we're told to take it not so much with a grain as with tablespoon of salt.

As well as not being particularly scientific, they also make a point of ensuring we understand that just because something might be a certain way as a result of our evolutionary past, doesn't mean we morally ought to act that way. This is a quote we were shown in class this semester when we briefly discussed an evolutionary explanation of prejudice:

"Evolutionarily informed analysis of human behaviour is no more a moral endorsement of that behaviour than geology is a moral endorsement of earthquakes, epidemiology a moral endorsement of Ebola outbreaks, or psychiatry an endorsement of madness." (Sidanius et al., 2004, p. 862).

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2016-10-08T02:23:04+00:00

All of TRP's basic points are 100% true because they are based on the absolute FACT of pregnancy. evolution is about passing on genes, which means that observable behaviors are rooted in biology.

Pregnancy is costly, so evolution favors good genetics. Works for both men and women. women have to be more choosy. Sperm is cheap, so men try to fuck the most women.

Pregnancy means that the mother is certain, while the father is not. This means that the men who made certain of their paternity were more likely to pass on genes. We see the same mate guarding behavior in chimps, for example.

pregnancy and ovulation take a lot of time and energy, making women specialized in this and thus physically weaker than men. Since harems exist but men want to fuck the most amount of women, and since women are the bottleneck to the population, men naturally hunt women. We see this today as Chinese men kidnap girls from other countries to make up for their deficit.

Title	Since TRP is largely based on evolutionary psychology, can we say that trp principles are accurate?
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Date	October 8, 2016 12:33 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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