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Here's an interesting article. Somehow I think alcohol was a major factor, but the police handled it rather well.

dukunt

January 9, 2022
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-woman-punched-in-face-in-bar-fight-offers-warning-to-other-women-1.3189501
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Title Here's an interesting article. Somehow I think alcohol was a major factor, but the police handled it rather well.
Author

dukunt

Upvotes 48
Comments 45
Date January 9, 2022 6:33 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/rzy2yu/heres_an_interesting_article_somehow_i_think/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/PussyPassDenied/heres-an-interesting-article-somehow-i-think.1093802
https://theredarchive.com/post/1093802
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Comments

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

She admitted throwing her drink in his face and pushing him first. She stupidly assaulted a stronger man and expected him to just stand there like a punching bag. Dumb girl won a stupid prize now she's looking for sympathy.

[–]jamestsheffield 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Kinda sounds like she stood up for herself and her friend when someone was being a bellend.

I don’t see anyone being “right” in this was physical violence has consequences in the law. If this was a male friend who stepped in and he wasn’t as big or as strong as the other guy would you view this differently?

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

The sex of the person initiating the assault does not matter. The person regardless is wrong for assaulting. Assaulting someone is not defensive, it is an aggressive and offensive act. Therefore a criminal act. So I do not view this differently. Sex or gender would not matter.

[–]jamestsheffield -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

If gender doesn’t matter then why do you mention it twice? You’re are also saying that pushing and throwing drinks deserves getting strangled and punched in the face.

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

A victim has no moral obligation to have the appropriate response to an attacker, they are being attacked. A defensive response in a combat situation is not a well thought out plan. It is a reaction nothing more. All manner of awful things happen in war and combat any sensible person understands this. Now she does too.

[–]lonelornfr -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A victim has no moral obligation to have the appropriate response to an attacker, they are being attacked.

So you can murder someone because he/she pushed you ?

Get real man, unless your life is actually threatened, your response should be proportionate.

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a childish thing to say based on my comment. A moral obligation and a legal obligation are different things. Thus: a trial and a decision of guilt or innocence by a Jury of your peers. Thus: Both a Criminal case and a Civil case to determine liability in both areas. You obviously you have no experience in criminal law or how the judicial system works. So give it a rest with the troll comments. 😸

[–]npd_survivor_Nliving 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You obviously don't have guns or gun laws in your country

[–]jamestsheffield -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I loved the response there. Super Boston legal at first with a spin towards American psycho at the end.

Don’t start nothing there won’t be nothing. The guy should have took no for an answer and not carried on being a jerk. Yeah physical violence wasn’t appropriate from anyone but this was clearly started by the dude being an a hole with the facts we have.

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand the relevance of my comment to these television shows as I haven't seen them. Perhaps you think my view comes from television? My view comes from the criminal cases I've been involved with. The guy being a jerk or getting "to close" in a public space, mean little in a court of law. She could easily walk away and negate the threat. A shoving match during a heated argument means little if both parties do not use fists to hit each other, it was mutual shoving or neither party blocks access for the other to escape. If equal and mutual this situation is rarely considered even a misdemeanor, much less a felony. Using a weapon however is considered both assault and / or assault with a deadly weapon, and is a felony. To be determined innocent when you commit assault you have to be in fear for your life. She was not in fear for her life. She chose to escalate by becoming combative and using a weapon. She was the aggressor, she escalated, she was the attacker, she used a weapon and commuted a felony in doing so. The guy being an a-hole is irrelevant. People being an a-hole does not give you the right to attack them with a weapon.

[–]jamestsheffield 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah gotcha.

Ironside?

Columbo?

Detective Pikachu?

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Columbo and Pikachu! 👍😹

[–]mystarkfuture 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because this is pussypassdenied.

[–]jamestsheffield 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s an oxymoron in itself there pal. He mentioned that gender doesn’t matter then mentions it does.

I was calling out the hypocrisy of his own post not that this is the dark dungeon of the unwashed of reddit.

[–]NickelodeonBean 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow a nuanced take that considers all factors isn’t well received here? Who would’ve thought.

[–]jamestsheffield 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shocked face

[–]continous 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not nuanced. "Standing up for yourself" doesn't get to include assault just because you're small and meek.

[–]continous -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Getting physical is when she crossed the line and began the physical altercation.

Pushing someone is assault, even if it usually is harmless.

[–]jamestsheffield -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Pushing is assault?

Really?

[–]continous 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Literally. Without knowing full context this could have been anything from a soft push to a full attempt to knock someone down. And falling can entirely be lethal.

[–]jamestsheffield -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Pushing.

Lethal.

Jesus wept, I bet you put written complaint in about getting paper cuts from letters.

[–]continous 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I've literally seen people die from slipping and falling. Do not underestimate the fragility of the human brain and skull.

One out of five falls incur serious injury. Pushing someone is a good way to make them fall or even intentionally knock them over, which can be even more violent than most falls.

A single punch is often all it takes to downright kill someone.

Now I couldn't give you statistics on how often pushing someone in-and-of-itself causes death or grave bodily injury, but let me advise you again on the situation here;

A man is harassing a women and her friends. He is, by all accounts, just being verbally annoying. Woman pushes him, and man eventually begins to attack her. She then attacks him with a pint glass.

This is our understanding of the situation.

You want me to look past the woman pushing him, and assume that the man was the provocateur. Certainly he was doing himself absolutely no favors, but these two got into a mutual exchange, pushing each other, and then this women uses a weapon. You want me to side with her and just ignore that she escalated this situation to the point of extreme violence?

[–]jamestsheffield 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Who asked you to pick a side?

I said both using violence wasn’t acceptable.

You labelled pushing as assault and I laughed.

[–]continous 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who asked you to pick a side?

Look, it was either okay for her to initiate the conflict or not. There's no way, whatsoever for you to argue that her actions thereafter were okay.

You labelled pushing as assault and I laughed.

It is literally assault. Legally, and by definition of assault.

[–]jamestsheffield 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OBJECTION

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He was harassing them. She was standing up for herself and her friend.

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That is of no consequence says the criminal justice system. That is why there are laws which state harassment doesn't justify physically assaulting someone.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Does pepper spray count as physical assault?

[–]Flat_Eric_1200 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, no and maybe. It depends on the specific application under the duress / conflict / altercation / of the person using it during said conflict. Pepper spray can be used in a defensive manner or offensive manner. Thus using it an act of defense where they are the victim or offence where they are the aggressor. The particular usage is what determines fault which in turn determines criminal liability.

[–]fat-matt 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Um yeah. Felonious assault with a deadly weapon resulting in hospitalization, in retaiation to a perceived nuisance Pussy pass approved.

[–]Impalmator 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She got a quantum pass. Sort of granted but also sort of denied at the same time.

[–]wooden_seats 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should be in prison. She started the fight by throwing a drink in his face, then escalated it by smashing a glass over his head. That's criminal behaviour.

[–]redditisaB 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not claiming either side was right, really the question is who shoved who first. That's when it escalated physically. The police sound like they did an ok job not jumping to conclusions. I think some cops would put the guy in cuffs faster than you can slap a tick.

[–]continous 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She admitted to shoving him first.

[–]Enough-Staff-2976 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She reminds me of a joke I heard. What do you call a woman with two black eyes? A woman who is out of control.

[–]jamestsheffield 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hilarious .......

[–]cbennett_82888 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The "punch" line is, she's already been told twice

[–]kuruman67 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Don’t think this belongs if the story is truly as she states. Yes she used a weapon but if the dude was really choking her at the time that seems perfectly justified. Sounds like the guys were being assholes.

[–]dukunt[S] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a BIG if.... The cops didn't side with her, and if the cops didn't believe her, and cops almost always side with the women, something is fishy...

[–]Gaiinahat 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. Something is being left out. Nobody was arrested or charged.

This line isn't clear:

"Lefebvre admitted she threw her drink in the man's face after some shoving and yelling."

Can we assume it was her doing all the shoving and yelling? Then she threw the drink in his face? I don't think he did any shoving, or it would be him going to jail instead of the hospital.

"Then he attacked me and choked me, and I hit him over the head with a pint glass and then he punched me in the face," she said.

It seems that if he did shove her before she threw the drink, either she doesn't consider being shoved as being attacked, or the first time when he laid is hands on her was after she threw the drink in his face. I'm willing to bet it was the latter.

There's still some question about the guy coming back:

Later on, Lefebvre said, one of the men returned and tried to get "too close" to her and her friend.

Apparently, she let the conversation continue, instead of calling for the bouncer to get him away from her and her friend, given they were just earlier being harassed by the same guy and his friends.

Which makes me wonder about the "argument" earlier. Why didn't the bouncers kick them out then? For some reason, it would seem that there aren't any bouncers, or any kind of security, or the situation wasn't grave enough to warrant throwing the guys out.

I would conclude that if he was harassing her, she should have called for a bouncer, especially if it was occurring more than once, but she decided to turn it into a physical altercation, and got her ass beat. She's lucky she only got away with stitches and black eyes.

Pussy pass denied for thinking she could assault someone without retaliation.

Pussy pass granted for not being arrested for assault and instead given "a good talking to."

[–]kuruman67 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes the last 2 lines sum it up nicely! So I guess it sort of belongs.

[–]jamestsheffield 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine being downvoted for that comment.

[–]Smacky_Da_Frog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that had happened that way, it would be on camera (bars are wired), and he'd have been arrested. As it was, "no one was arrested," and "Lefebvre said the police had told her that she was in the wrong because she had used a weapon," which indicates that she indeed did get a partial PP because they obviously had proof that she initiated physical hostilities and then escalated them to felonious levels and caught no charges. Had they seen video of him choking her, they'd have arrested him and we all know it.

[–]Dalyb218 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess he has no fault here. He could have left them alone when they asked. I think justice was served.

[–]Ayrk-Daxyse 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you hit me , I’m gonna break your face . Man or woman . I grew up with violence and I don’t play games.

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