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[19F/21M] Relationship advice please?

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May 17, 2015
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Title [19F/21M] Relationship advice please?
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Upvotes 3
Comments 33
Date May 17, 2015 2:22 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
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[–]RPWAlethiaTheElf 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

[...] I would allow them to be raised Catholic, provided I was also able to teach them about all world religions, because I think it's important for them to learn tolerance.

Just by you saying this, you are going to have problems in the future. You approach the subject as if you think Catholicism isn't tolerant and that will insult your SO, guaranteed. Your responsibility in the marriage contract (that you need to sign in order to get married in the Church) is that any kids born of your union be raised as Catholic and if you are making an active attempt to teach them of different faiths when they are young, you are doing nothing but confusing them and negatively intervening with their religious upbringing. This will be completely disrespectful to your S.O.'s wishes and cause severe friction in the marriage. You teach tolerance through the Golden Rule, not by confusing them with a million ideas during their youth.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps I phrased that wrong. I didn't mean to imply that by being Catholic made him intolerant. By tolerance I guess I meant education. They could be raised Catholic of course, and go to Sunday school, but once they reach a good age, maybe 12 or 13, I would want to go into more depth teaching them about how different people believe different things and why it is important to be accepting of everyone (I'd also want to explain the specific beliefs and histories of those religions). I'm sure my children would be intelligent enough to understand that while they believe their religious faith to be true, not everyone else does.

As for having a Catholic marriage, I believe if we ever got married (that's way in the future though so this is just hypothetical) there wouldn't be a problem since I would agree that they can be raised Catholic. And since I am already baptized Catholic I won't have to deal with any of that either.

[–]RPWAlethiaTheElf 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure my children would be intelligent enough to understand that while they believe their religious faith to be true, not everyone else does.

You don't need to have classroom instruction to tell them this.

They could be raised Catholic of course, and go to Sunday school, [...]

This must have been your upbringing. One does not learn over a millennium of collective human experience and esoteric knowledge by going to Sunday school as a kid. It's your duty as a Catholic parent to prepare your child for his/her Confirmation, this includes proper theological instruction from the ages of 14-18, among other things. You seem to have a lot to learn.

[...] and why it is important to be accepting of everyone [...]

Are you sure you're agnostic and instead haven't been indoctrinated into the Cathedral that is Liberalism?

[...] (I'd also want to explain the specific beliefs and histories of those religions).

For what purpose? All this will do is confuse them and as a result drive them away from their faith, thus gravely disrespecting your husband. If they wish to pursue this knowledge on their own, they are welcome to do so, but their's family's faith must receive priority. You say with one face that you don't mind your children being raised Catholic, but with the other you plan to interfere with their education so their faith isn't stalwart.

Stop this hamstering; if you are coming to RPW, I assume you are following your husband's lead in the relationship, so I see this as you not fully trusting in your man's choice to raise your kids in his faith. You're trying to undermine a very important family decision and disrespecting your S.O. with your lack of trust.

And since I am already baptized Catholic I won't have to deal with any of that either.

You sound really respectful of your husbands beliefs.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You don't need to have classroom instruction to tell them this.

I am aware of that. I wasn't intending classroom instruction, just general conversation about religious diversity and why it is important to be accepting of others. If they have questions about kids in their classes who are of different faiths, then I would answer those questions and explain what those faiths are.

[...] This must have been your upbringing. One does not learn over a millennium of collective human experience and esoteric knowledge by going to Sunday school as a kid.[...]

I think I'm well educated on the subject. As I've said in other comments I have taken many religious studies classes despite the fact that I've only had 2 semesters to choose my own courses (other than the one religious studies class I took back in high school). Not to mention I've read quite a few books from different religious scholars and philosophers. It's something I have always been interested in, and I would say I am well-eductaed on the subject especially given my age.

Are you sure you're agnostic and instead haven't been indoctrinated into the Cathedral that is Liberalism?

Liberalism is not a religion. If you think there is something wrong with being accepting of other faiths than that is your problem and there is no point continuing this discussion. I am an agnostic theist (as I explained) by definition. I believe that there is a higher power but I acknowledge that I cannot prove it.

[...] For what purpose? All this will do is confuse them and as a result drive them away from their faith, thus gravely disrespecting your husband. [...]

Not my husband, as I have already explained. This is near the beginning of a relationship and I am only 19. I don't think there is anything disrespectful about education.

If they wish to pursue this knowledge on their own [...] You say with one face that you don't mind your children being raised Catholic, but with the other you plan to interfere with their education so their faith isn't stalwart.

I would not be interfering with their education so much as supplementing it. They can be taught that Catholicism is the one true faith but they will also be taught that not everyone believes this. People have all different faiths. If anything I believe this would result in less confusion because they will understand why their friends may not celebrate Christmas or why that woman in the grocery store wears a scarf on her head.

Stop this hamstering; if you are coming to RPW, I assume you are following your husband's lead in the relationship [...]

Not my husband, again. And I come to RPW because I believe in a lot of doctrine. I have a lot in common with the posters here. I may be more moderate in my views than you, but that doesn't make me any less welcome.

You sound really respectful of your husbands beliefs.

Not husband, and we are equally respectful of each other's beliefs, because religion is a very personal matter.

[–]TempestTcup2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

LOL, religion aside, you are defensive and snide. Hopefully he will see this, and combined with your decision to undermine your children's religious upbringing (if indeed you have children with this man), I sincerely hope that he finds a different woman to raise his children. Even your refusal to convert and take communion is a huge red flag.

I'm not even a religious person, and I think that the plans you have spelled out here are very wrong. Go find a man who shares your ideas towards the upbringing of children instead of butting heads with this one, embarrassing him in church, and making his life miserable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm being defensive because she was attacking me and making assumptions and I don't see how explaining my situation is snide. If anything, she is the one being snide. As for my "refusal to convert", why would I convert to something I don't believe in? That is dishonest. I am already baptized Catholic and went through first communion so a spiritual marriage shouldn't be a problem, but I'm wouldn't take communion because it would feel like lying to myself. I would attend church and allow children to be raised Catholic, which would be enough of a compromise in my opinion.

Religion is different from a lot of the issues in RPW and I don't think it's one that requires you to automatically convert to your partner's religion. Inter-faith marriages happen all the time, in general society and in RPW. As for the "butting heads", he is fine with children learning about other religions, provided they are raised Catholic. Refusing to allow them to learn about other religions would only lead them to become close-minded and judgmental, which neither of us want.

[–]TempestTcup-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You will make him a terrible wife. Why do you want to marry a man that has a completely different way of life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Obviously that would be because I love and respect him, and we share almost everything in common (even political views) except religion.

[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good luck with that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure it will be fine.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]RPWAlethiaTheElf 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm speaking in the future-sense, if she has children with him, the only route she can go is marriage. Think before you comment.

[–]Pink_acetaminophen2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I think differences in religion especially with how seriously someone takes them are a major source of either bonding or destruction in relationships. My advice is to take the relationship slow and really discuss every question and concern you have about the specifics. It's way easier to ask an uncomfortable question and then get over it than waste years just to be disappointed or do physical things that you can't take back. For some people their religion will really affect daily activities and expectations from relationships so you have to deal with unique boundaries. Personally i don't want to take part in any organized religion and dating an agnostic person is part of my small non negotiable list in a partner. In my perspective i want to believe things that can be scientifically tested or observed so it's really important that my life partner shares similar views and is able to think on his own. I'm lucky because my boyfriend is agnostic and we can discuss raising kids and having a life with good morals without any magical influence. Some people wouldn't consider dating a person without strong religious beliefs but we're the opposite.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

without any magical influence

You better let them watch Harry Potter! :)

[–]TempestTcup2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This is a post that is basically asking how to undermine your boyfriend's religion and lifestyle: how to go about undermining the religious upbringing of his (maybe) future children; how to embarrass him in church by not taking the host. We don't do that here; you would know, if you really read around RPW.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You're allowed to have differences in religion, even in RPW, as many of the other commentors pointed out. You can have a traditional marriage without being dishonest with yourself as to what you believe religiously. Inter-faith marriages can be successful, even here. I fail to see how not taking communion is "embarrassing him in church". If anything it is better because I could stay with the children until the have had their first communion.

[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You have no clue as to the depths of the Mexican Catholic devoutness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Considering I am a part hispanic ex-Catholic, I think I understand.

[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I hope he realizes what a terrible addition you would be to his family.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately he realizes that he loves me and we are compatible in every way except for religion, where a compromise can be reached.

[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah right. You are 19 - you know NOTHING yet. You spoke about it once and he went quiet and changed the subject. Hopefully he thinks long and hard about this and decides to get a more compatible woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well considering that was the beginning of the relationship when that happened and we're still together, I don't think he sees it as a problem. For context, it happened when we were watching the stars and having general conversation. There were pauses after a lot of things we talked about, so the silence may not have even been significant.

[–]TempestTcup0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hamster hamster hamster.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]TheLadyPainter2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm in the same boat as you, agnostic and dating a devout man. It works for us because we both like to discuss our beliefs, and have very interesting conversations based on them. Neither of us is trying to prove the other wrong, and we respect each other's stances. I'm going to get my heathen butt baptized and we'll get married in a church. We talked about kids and decided that our children will be raised with his religion, though we will educate them about world religions/cultures when they get old enough. None of this is awkward or causing tension because we have an open communication going on.

Your relationship is still early (3mos based on other comments), but don't be afraid to ask the hard questions. Don't be worried about scaring him off or hearing something that may be a deal-breaker because the relationship feels nice as of now. If something is going to drive a wedge between you two, it's better to know now rather than 6mos or 1yr down the line. At the very least, make sure he respects your beliefs. Mutual respect of each other's beliefs is the first step to being able to communicate openly about any issues that may arise.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the response! It gives me hope. :) I'll definitely take your advice. I'm still working on my communication skills, since I've always been pretty private about things like this, but I agree that it will be important to deal with now rather than later.

[–]emphesym 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I am atheist and it's a dealbreaker for me if someone is religious. It just is a completely different world view than me, and I would prefer someone I was more intellectually compatible with.

However, a lot of topics I like to talk about with my boyfriend involve things that we couldn't talk about the same way if he was religious. We talk about morals, science, philosophy, society, etc, and I'm not able to discuss these things in the same way with religious friends.

He doesn't seem that willing to discuss it, so I would assume it could lead to conflict... I've found some people totally shut down the topic and some are able to discuss it without being awkward. It doesn't seem like a good sign to me that he's in the first.

How long have you been dating? It doesn't sound like a very long relationship and that's why I'm wary of you thinking you see a future with him because that takes time and experience to know.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the reply. I get what you're saying in regards to the whole intellectually compatible bit. However he's not super fundamental in his views and enjoys science and philosophy so I feel like we could still disuse those without much conflict. The bit where he hesitated after I told him what religion I was was in the beginning of the relationship, so I think maybe he was just afraid of saying the wrong thing.

As for our dating history, we've know each other for a year and dated for 3 months ending lasted September when we amicably split up while I had to go off and deal with an eating disorder. But we got back in contact in January and stay in pretty constant contact. Right now we're back together but he's moved back home because the semester ended so we're about an hour and a half away from each other but when I go to my job in a few weeks we'll be 30 minutes away.

[–]munchinggobbles0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

As a religious person, I can understand your friend's problem. Religious people are very stubborn with their views. If he's as religious as you say he is then changing him is practically impossible. In the end its how much you're willing to compromise on your behalf. In the beginning everything might seem to be going smoothly, ( honeymoon phase helps overlook all the problems) but in the long run it will become a problem and since he is going to be your future captain, difference in opinion will causes for an unstable boat. Try not to let your emotions cloud your judgment. Since your agnostic depends if you have a more inclination towards atheism or religion. The latter can be worked out. I have fallen head over heels for atheist and when I found he was an atheist, I was heart broken. Particularly because he lived by the principles that his actions did not have any consequences in the end , which is the exact opposite to what I believed in. You should understand that in the end he will need his children to take a religious route irrespective of what you teach them and if he feels something that you say will make them change their mind then he will ask you to stop. If you can live with that then go ahead and pursue the relationship, if not then just move on or you'll be wasting your best years on a lost cause.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I lean more towards religion than atheism, so I think a compromise could be reached. I definitely don't want to change him. I actually like the fact that he's religious. For whatever reason, all of my closest friends always have ended up being religious, despite the fact that I live in a really liberal city.

I personally don't see anything wrong with teaching them about world religions. It's not like I would be telling them any particular religion was the correct one. I've taken a lot of classes in Religious Studies and am considering a minor in it, since it's something I have always been interested in. I feel like as long as it is approached from an academic perspective, there shouldn't be any conflict.

[–]munchinggobbles0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, I'm not saying that you shouldn't but it all depends on him. If he's more open minded then it won't be a problem. I don't know much about your guy so I'm only assuming the so for the sake of precaution.

[–]munchinggobbles0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True, I'm not saying that you shouldn't but it all depends on him. If he's more open minded then it won't be a problem. I don't know much about your guy so I'm only assuming the so for the sake of precaution.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you're right. I'm not too sure how open minded he is but for now I'm just assuming he's a happy medium until I work up the courage to ask him about it.

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