A question concerning the views held here.

MasterBaiterX · 2014-09-30T02:52:39+00:00

You seem to think the "mind" is some abstract blob of energy, it's not. It's just our brains affected by hormones, shaped by all of our experiences and framed by biology.

If you took out two brains, male and female, and put it into so called gender less robots one would still be male and the other female.

This has buttfuck nothing to do with TRP, and you could have asked this dumb question without saying you hate TRP when it has nothing to do with anything. It's just trolling and you're goi to get banned.

RedCurtis · 2014-10-01T00:42:49+00:00

Many complex sexual behaviors are dictated by sexually dimorphic brain regions (look up "sexually dimorphic nucleus"). If you oppose TRP, I suppose you'd posit that social influence trumps biological instincts. I'd argue that since no amount of social conditioning can change one's sexual orientation, it's unlikely that deeply ingrained mate preferences (i.e. AF/BB) are purely the result of social conditioning. So, to your question - most TRP "biotruths" are actually biological, although some might be further corroborated by the current social climate.

And since we're on TRP, a relevant anecdote: When I took a course on neuroanatomy (cognitive psych major), feminists in my class wanted the lecturer fired when he talked about the SDN and its role in controlling sexual preferences in humans. No valid counterargument, unless "advances in feminist biology" count.

stevredpill · 2014-10-02T01:01:57+00:00

Just a comment - I think what bothers people about your post is not the questions you are asking, but the way in which you have asked.

You ask a question that could relate to red pill in some way, but you don't exactly specify what you are getting at. You simply just pose a seemingly innocent almost rhetorical question that we are supposed to interpret and infer as an argument against the views here. It's almost as if you are baiting us to give you a response where we are more likely to have "holes" in our argument for you to then go ahead and shoot down. This is why people may call you a troll. It seems as if you are trying to illicit a response instead of constructively debating. If you really wanted to debate, you would give your own logical argument first and put that out there for us to read, digest and discuss with you.

Instead, I am safely assuming that you are waiting for us to give our thoughts on the matter and then you can go about shooting our arguments down.

But that's besides the point. I personally don't see how this is relevant. TRP is simply about making sense of this world where so many of us have struggled in gaining the attraction of women. It's very practical in nature and very "bro-sciency", not theoretical, IMHO. Discussing TRP in the framework of a question like "Where do you draw the line between biology and pyschology?" is not what this sub is about.

Quite simply many people on this sub believe that women are a certain way. Many other men in this sub validate those beliefs with stories and their interpretation/analysis of past events.

I think if you really want to have a discussion, you should state in your post where YOU draw the line between biology and psychology, explain why this is relevant to and goes against TRP, and then open it up for comments from us.

TFCNU · 2014-09-30T02:50:40+00:00

Our brains are part of our bodies. They're affected by hormones, by our genetic coding. If you are typical of our critics, you have to accept that gender is biologically determined. Trans- people don't choose to be trans nor do they become trans because of their upbringing, right? Then how can we say that for the vast majority of the population that is cis-gendered that our gender identity is somehow the opposite? That it is built by "the patriarchy" or society or our parents? We are hardwired to want certain things in life and our biologically determined gender plays a huge role in that. You don't have to accept that. You don't have to accept that the earth revolves around the sun. However, as the astronomers who upheld that belief found out, the more data you have, the harder and harder it becomes to make your hypothesis work. Come on back when you're ready to change hypotheses.

BrunoOh · 2014-09-30T02:56:39+00:00

You seem to confuse this reddit with /r/science or /r/philosophy.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2014-09-30T20:31:32+00:00

I should start this off by saying, I am blatantly against basically everything you folks represent. That said, I'm curious to know the answer to something.

Stage 1: Denial.

Where do you draw the line between biology and psychology? I guess what I'm asking is, if you put the mind of a man and a woman into two separate genderless robot bodies, what do you think changes? How much of the behaviours you guys perceive as being dominant or necessary because of the facts of gender, or because of social factors and upraising?

Psychology (thought and behavior) is just applied biology. It is how an organism's biology interacts with its environment. Neurons are operated through electrical and chemical impulses, not some magical otherworldly properties.

Human brains in Robot bodies makes no sense because so much of our psychology is dependent on fulfilling our biological needs. Robots would not be hungry, or get erections, or go through ovulation. In other words, the premise is so ridiculous that it is impossible to use it to come to any conclusions.

If you like I could systematically use everything in the glossary of shaming tactics while I'm here.

This would not provide you with anything valuable, just as your first sentence did not add anything (aside from stroking your own ego) and should not have been included.

TRP is just the application of Bio 101, and is an understanding of the natural world. One who rejects this is likely to overemphasize "nurture," including the belief that every child is a special snowflake, and disregard "nature," the understanding that we all operate in basically the same ways to achieve our needs subject to our constraints (which include which sex chromosome daddy gave you).

Gowain · 2014-09-30T02:59:53+00:00

There is no line between biology and psychology. The body affects the mind with hormonal urges, the mind affects the body with thoughts that have been molded by societal influences. If the mind is stripped of hormonal influence, what is left is rationality, the thinking tracks of societal culture and assigned roles of the culture, which would probably go away over time leaving rationality. Male/femaleness would lose all meaning.

xtc99 · 2014-09-30T03:01:18+00:00

Social factors are because of biology, they don't exist separately to it.

Title	A question concerning the views held here.
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Date	September 30, 2014 2:32 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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