Amusing comic that touches on some RP/BP ideas

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June 11, 2014

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Title	Amusing comic that touches on some RP/BP ideas
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	57
Comments	29
Date	June 11, 2014 3:15 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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If someone is obsessed or fixated enough to "wait around" for one woman, than this woman is consuming a lot of their mental energy. They spend a lot of time thinking about her, justifying and rationalizing their choice to "be there." It is work. Also, women may pay lip service to things like "patience" in man, but a man who is patient in that situation may be signalling that he has nobody better to turn to, that he is undesired, and so on.

Another thing to consider is that the beta orbiter doesn't just get to "wait;" he'll likely be pressed into service in various ways. My ex-GF had a whole slew of men she pressed into service to do various menial tasks for her, like listen to her complain, help her move, help her paint her apartment. They all did it in the hopes that she would put out for them. Nope, she was just using them. I even pointed it out to her, but in her mind, the payment she gave them was the pleasure of her company.

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Not having a plan of action is a strategy. A shitty one, but a strategy nonetheless. Similar to making chess moves on the fly. That is the dominant BP strategy because most men don't learn to observe relationships as the back-and-forth game that they are.

And, I think that negging/dread game/etc., which are explicitly predicated on causing concern and self-doubt, are shitty and unnecessary tactics that work best on precisely the group that TRP claims to dislike: insecure women

This is the go-to BluePill mantra. RP only works on weak, insecure women. Surely no confident woman would ever fall for it. BluePillers can't envision a world where it could be true, because the cognitive dissonance would be overwhelming.

It works on nearly all women. It works because it's a means of showing social status and confidence. Negging is simply flirtatious banter, ribbing a girl and being playful. What you're thinking of is Hard Negging, something reserved for specific women (especially bitchy stuck up girls).

[–]JDoorjam-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not having a plan of action is a strategy. A shitty one, but a strategy nonetheless.

No, it's really not, especially as I said explicit strategy. That's like saying not having a map is a map.

This is the go-to BluePill mantra. RP only works on weak, insecure women.

Didn't say that.

Surely no confident woman would ever fall for it.

Didn't say that either. I said it works best on insecure women, which I stand by.

And, incidentally, I'm a fan and proponent of showing social status and confidence. That's obviously attractive to women. I just don't think it needs, or ought, to be done by being negative. What I've observed is that people who respond the most to negging are the most likely to be negative themselves, which isn't attractive. I prefer positive people. They are also the most likely to be prone to theatrics and need continual emotional maintenance, which on this sub is often called shit-testing.

I'd rather avoid people who fall into those categories. Why use bait for a fish you don't want to catch?

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If you're just using that term to mean "women I've had sex with," about 30. If you're counting women I've hooked up with without having sex with... more. 50? I don't know. Of those, a half-dozen or so ended up being relationships (using terms like "boyfriend/girlfriend," saying "I love you, etc.), and all of those were hook-ups that grew into relationships, so take those out or don't, depending on how you're counting.

I had never heard of the PUA community but was doing a lot of the things they suggest, the biggest of all being having and projecting confidence. Because I didn't really have an explicit game plan, it's hard to say "I did this and this and that," but the most important overall thing was to keep myself perceived as possibly attainable, and not get personally wrapped up in whether or not any specific woman was interested in me (sound familiar?). But I'd do that without using negging strategies by being smart, funny, engaged, and positive.

Again, for those reasons, I don't consider myself to be part of the "PUA" community. I heard about TRP a few months ago, and have been an active commenter only in the last month or so.

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“Hey, you’re a goof.”

“Hey… you look like that cartoon character… yeah that’s right, Rainbow Brite remember her?”

“You know, I like that outfit you’ve got on… but I don’t know… your shoes don’t really match. You should have gone with tan boots…”

“Did your shirt shrink in the laundry?”

“Your nose is a little red. You’re like an Eskimo. Cool.”

So you would never say something like this to a girl, because its a neg? They sound like normal banter. You said, "It's a calculated display of disinterest which, yes, absolutely can include insults." I agree with you, they can include insults but these are not insults, Or are they?

Don't you think that a neg is carried more on how it is said rather than what you say? If you say "Hey, you're a goof" with a smile on your face and in a playful tone it is seen friendly but if your say it with a mean look in your eyes and a solid voice its aggressive. Just like anything else you might say, even calling a girl Beautiful can be seen offensive if you make it sound sarcastic and calling somebody a piece of shit can somehow become a compliment if said with the right tone.

You also said that negs work best on a insecure woman. Well anything works best on an insecure person because they are insecure. Insecure people are in this pessimistic state of mind, they don't know what to believe. Whether a good or bad person wants to talk to them the insecure person still distrust both equally.

Then you continued and said, "What I've observed is that people who respond the most to negging are the most likely to be negative themselves, which isn't attractive. I prefer positive people...I'd rather avoid people who fall into those categories..." to which I agree, but negs work for all people, male or female, so how can you tell who is positive and who is negative if the results are the same? most people look/behave/act the same and we don't read minds. When I approach a girl, I approach her because I think she is attractive and I do it without thinking how her day is, if she has a cold, if she has a bf/husband, if somebody in her family just died or if she had any traumatizing experiences during her childhood. The only way to know if somebody is insecure is if you already know them(you can say that I can tell if somebody is insecure by the way they carry themselves based on their body language and the way they are dressed but most insecure people dress like shit so I wouldn't approach anyways. Like you said, that is not attractive).

I'm pretty sure you have used negs(whether you know it or not) on at least one of those 50 girls. A neg is a natural thing, all that PUAs did was give it a name and a strategic value. Women used it as well, more than men. They call it "Playful Teasing".

If you base things off of feelings then all of Seduction is wrong and you having seduced 50 girls and fucked 30 makes you an asshole, but that is not the case is it? Like they say, "All is fair in love and war"

[–]JDoorjam1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't think I can imagine a scenario in which I'd say any of those things to someone, no. I'd say 2-5 are clearly insults -- I notice in your example of how tone can change the context, you took #1, and then softened it to the point where it's not a neg (i.e., a show of disinterest) anymore.

how can you tell who is positive and who is negative if the results are the same?

By having a three-minute conversation. You can tell who is positive and who is negative in that amount of time.

I'm pretty sure you have used negs(whether you know it or not) on at least one of those 50 girls. [...] Women used it as well, more than men. They call it "Playful Teasing".

Teasing is hardly a calculated show of disinterest.

If you base things off of feelings then all of Seduction is wrong and you having seduced 50 girls and fucked 30 makes you an asshole, but that is not the case is it?

What? I don't understand what that sentence means. Can you explain that to me a different way?

[–]EducatedCavemen1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

2-5 insults? Wow, okay. I never said that a neg is a "Show of Disinterest" that is your definition. I agreed with you that sometimes people think an insult is a good neg though. If you read the Glossary in /r/seduction a neg is described as the opposite of a compliment, not an insult. An actual "Show(indicator) of Disinterest" is called an IOD. The way I see it is if you are trying to attract someone why would you want to show disinterest? you don't want to show neediness or desperation but neither disinterest.

To me a neg is just banter. The reason the tone of the example is like that is because I wanted to show that depending on how you say something the meaning changes. I never tried to make that line sound like an insult(Show of Disinterest).

That is what I tried to say in the rest of that paragraph. I just came from the park and I was thinking about that line specifically. For some reason I was thinking that you were trying to say that PUAs pray on the insecure. Which is why I followed by saying that when I approach a girl, I go because I am attracted by her not because I am trying to sabotage her life. I'm pretty sure most do that as well.

Again, your definition.

When you try to get with(seduce) somebody, You don't know what to expect, you don't know this person. Not even after 3 minutes of conversation like you said. When I got to a girl I don't start asking personal questions(that shit is creepy, especially if she just met you) so I create banter, joke here and there, light questions, keep the momentum of the conversation at a nice pace. I can't start to question my negs or my motives because she could be offended. Who knows but her. The only way I can know is if I do it, no morals just go in raw. A neg is a natural part of seducing, so when you start to say this is not right then all of seducing is not right because if you accidentally say a neg or if you keep thinking of what to say because you don't want to say a neg you are probably are going to start doubting yourself which will fuck you up. So if saying a neg to one girl is wrong then negging 50 is horrible. Like they say, "All is fair in love and war".

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