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Chicks Dig Dominance - Now validated by SCIENCE

mescalineeyes

July 23, 2013
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Title Chicks Dig Dominance - Now validated by SCIENCE
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mescalineeyes

Upvotes 43
Comments 25
Date July 23, 2013 11:21 AM UTC
(13 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ivmba/chicks_dig_dominance_now_validated_by_science/
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Comments

[–]trias_e9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a cool study, but keep in mind its big limitations. The sample was from a fraternity and sorority, which limits its generalizability (I'm now declaring this a word). What they call male dominance is just male's assessment of the fighting ability of other males, nothing more. There are almost certainly other unaccounted for variables that better explain what we are seeing here other than their 'dominance'. They just happen to correlate with 'dominance'.

Another big issue is that female rating of attractiveness in a lab setting is not going to be one to one with their choices in a real world setting. The sorority girls were judging attractiveness based on photos. Obviously, this isn't going to exactly represent the men they actually choose: A studly spineless beta wimp isn't better off than the alpha average looker. I think the more likely explanation for the effect we see in the study is that women more often have sex with more dominant/aggressive men because they actually like them in action, not because of male/male contests filtering out individuals (which, note, there were actually none of in this study). This would mean that when men judge fighting ability in other men, this judgement correlates to traits that make men more attractive to women behaviorally, which I think is plausible. In general, unless you are studying actual behavior in real situations, I don't trust your study. Assessments suck.

One cool take away from this study that could be useful, although again it is only looking at female choice when they are looking at photographs, not in the real world: "multiple regression and canonical analysis...indicated selection under female choice for negative covariance between girth and facial and vocal masculinity, suggesting that the brawnier a man is, the more important it is for him to have a feminine voice and face, and vice versa." This makes intuitive sense to me.

[–]bunabhucan1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does limiting the data to "a fraternity and sorority" make it more or less applicable to TheRedPill?

[–]RedSunBlue1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet another reason to hit the gym AND the dojo.

[–][deleted] 4 points4 points4 points 13 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]kingssman1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You can be like Aaron Taylor-Johnson from Kick-Ass, a common 5, potential a 7 with good fashion and grooming, but being shredded can add an easy +2 points to what level you're at.

[–]Ormild0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I saw the trailer for Kick-Ass 2, the first thing that popped into my head was, "that dude got fucking jacked." It was only shown for a second too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Except you shouldn't be like him in real life. He married a post wall uggo.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 13 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]kingssman0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The dude was a 5 for a majority of his life and film career?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Im a 1969 model and there is no way I would marry that 67 model. Damn she looks like she is 60 something, not 46. What the hell did she do to herself?

[–]yankeetiger1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wish the sad men of /r/short would see this.

Part of the reason short men do badly with women is because from a young age, they're told that this is the way it works. It becomes part of their identity.

Source: manlet here

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[–]yankeetiger1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest if you complain about ANY aspect of your body, it's just a buffer for your ego, rationalizing why you're too lazy to put in the work

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure the article really says that about height given this quote:

"These results indicate that beyond height, masculine features tend not to make independent positive contributions to success under female choice, suggesting that other factors may have operated in the selection of masculine traits in men."

To me that suggests that height has a positive influence when controlling for other factors.

[–]yankeetiger0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, of course! No one is even remotely trying to argue that height doesn't matter. It does.

Based on these studies and personal experience, it seems like this is proof for "Tall men get laid", but not necessarily proof for "Short men can't get laid". In other words, physical attractiveness is a huge boost, but not having it doesn't preclude from success.

[–]Graizur-1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thinking about cinnamontoastcrunch commercials and if you guys will get back to archtecturing societies that value, you know, other animals besides your offspring because lol, no, I know, you're great and chicks love you and science is curing cancer and stuff but really, could you pick up art and alpha male your way into a position that makes life better in a way that isn't your own little wireheadmatrix? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead_(science_fiction) http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/

[–]lono12-2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

He's being disingenuous. While looks might not determine how many people you sleep with, they definitely determine what level of people you sleep with. A dominant 5/10 man might sleep with a lot of girls but they will all be 5's and under. A non-dominant 8/10 might not sleep with a lot of women but he will still be able to get into an LTR with a very pretty 8/10.

If all guys really cared about was sleeping with as many women as possible then game wouldn't even exist. Any guy can walk into a bar, talk to the ugliest girl there, and take her home. But only tall handsome men can walk into a bar, talk to the prettiest girl there, and take her home.

If all it took was dominance and sociosexuality then the biggest slayers would be the sleazy hairy armenian guy you see in every club and the horny desperate black guys who date fatties.

Obviously the're not. So this is bullshit.

[–]trias_e1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This stuff is more complicated than most give it credit for. Having an attractive face is good. Having an attractive body is good. Having an attractive skillset is good. Having attractive behavior is good. Being dominant is good. This shit all interacts. Your goal should be to not rate below average in any of these categories and to specialize in a few of them.

[–]lono120 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but there are some things you can't change. You can't make an unattractive guy handsome. Or a short guy taller. And these things will have an effect on how far up you can date.

[–]yankeetiger2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A dominant man isn't a 5/10, I think you fail to understand this.

Dominance is not an average beta trait. If you're dominant, it's more likely you have traits that actually make you better looking (Muscular, good posture, etc)

[–]lono12-3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I understand fine. I am saying a 5/10 will not score a 8/10 no matter how dominant he acts. How hard is that to get.

[–]yankeetiger0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You referred to "a dominant 5/10".

This doesn't exist. Dominant men are high SMV.

[–]lono12-3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems like you're being stupid on purpose. Conversation over.

[–]trias_e-1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're applying your own sexual attractiveness criteria to women. Solipsism isn't helpful.

[–]lono12-2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha. No man, when it comes to sexual attraction looks matter to women as much as they do to men.

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