Clarification of the refutation post. [Not disrespectful, simply confused].

Demonspawn · 2014-01-17T16:01:11+00:00

Now this just seems dangerous. "Men tend toward extremes" is the reason you give?

Males tend towards extremes. This is true of all mammals. Height, weight, IQ, spatial ability.... if you can measure it, men have larger standard deviations.

For example, IQ has an average of 100 and a (gender neutral) SD of 15. At just 120, the ratio of men to women is 2:1. At 170, it's 30:1. The same is true at the other end.

This is biological fact. No amount of "social engineering" will "fix" this.

Do you, and by extension TRP, not believe in systemic gender oppression continuing to be rampant though society?

1) Please enumerate any government-granted rights which men have and women do not have in equal or greater levels.

2) Please enumerate any government-enforced responsibilities which women bear which men do not bear in equal or greater levels.

Is the 1st mate not subservient to the captain? I am not sure why this answer started off with "no".

Because women are not subservient to men, women are subservient to their captain. Not all men are all women's captains. She gets to choose her captain.

Is your answer an explanation of why you feel women are useless after 30?

We didn't say useless, we said not attractive.

while the women take her husband/SO having slept with so many women as desperate and lowering his ability to bond? It seems arbitrary and like an unsubstantiated double standard. Why do you feel it isn't?

Because men aren't women. Men don't lower their ability to bond via having sex. Women do. You seem to be poisoned with equality disease (thinking men and women are equal unless "proven" otherwise) when in reality men and women ARE DIFFERENT unless demonstrated to be the same.

2014-01-17T15:52:11+00:00

"So would the accusation "men overwhelmingly come in two categories..." have been more accurate? If you are arguing that this accusation can be honestly answered with a "no" and isn't true, why not have charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot groups? Why not do away with groups? Especially groups as clearly favored as alpha and beta? (it seems like gold and silver, winners and losers, at least from an outsider)."

It's not a clear distinction between alpha and beta. Alpha and beta are not two classes, they are different groups of traits everybody has. Sometimes the Uber-betas are also called omegas, so there you have it. It's just easier to differenciate between alpha and beta.

"Now this just seems dangerous. "Men tend toward extremes" is the reason you give? Do you, and by extension TRP, not believe in systemic gender oppression continuing to be rampant though society? From the glass ceiling, to unequal pay, to the-ability-to-get-pregnant's effect on the hiring process all the way to which toys are being marketed to which child's gender? Do you agree that this happens, but deemphasize, or disagree that any of that is a problem? What great female and male qualities are you talking about that were ruined by the feminist movement? Seemed like an interesting statement, but I am not sure which qualities you mean."

If there is a systemic gender opression, it's against men, not women. You might find opression against women in countries like india, pakistan or whatever, but most certainly not in the western world. If you're looking for examples for that, just visit /r/mensrights. They discuss nothing else there. Which toys are marketed to which gender? Biological differences between males and females are a fact, if you like it or not. Unequal pay is a myth btw, just google it.

Why didn't this answer begin with a firm "no"? Is your answer an explanation of why you feel women are useless after 30? You reference Marie Curie as "more important" to humanity than any man or women you have met. She was born in November of 1867, and won a Nobel prize in December of 1903. She was 36. She always won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1911 at 44. Just curious as to what you meant by your answer.

What he meant, wasn't that she was useless, but unattractive as a partner after age 30, since men (unlike women) don't look for status in their potential partners, but primarily youth/beauty.

Some people are polite and some are not. Some people are irrational and some are not. It seems to assume a pattern about someone's beliefs or actions based on race, gender, nationalism or sexual orientation is elitism. I take this as a near fundamental injustice. Would you say that TRP is elitist in a belief of sexism, but you feel that elitism can be justified?

Once more, fundamental biological differences between men and women exist, if they fit into your ideology or not. What you're saying is basically: "Saying monkeys and humans are different is elitism. There are some stupid monkeys and some stupid humans, hence there isn't a difference."

Come on. Why wouldn't a man take a bunch of men having slept with his wife/SO as a part of pre-selection and be stoked so many guys found her sexy while the women take her husband/SO having slept with so many women as desperate and lowering his ability to bond? It seems arbitrary and like an unsubstantiated double standard. Why do you feel it isn't?

Simple: Preselection does not have any effect on men. That's because what men are primarily interested in (youth/beauty) is something that's completely obvious. Women are more interested in status/money/self-respect, and these traits are often not as obvious, hence preselection plays and important role. (If all these other women wanted him, he's obviously awesome).

Search the sub for more info.

But there is a mass consensus that this should happen before LTR or marriage? And never for women?

The mass consensus is, that every man should do whatever fucking suits him. No, never for women. Of course they can do as they please too, but they shouldn't complain about it in the end (we have countless examples like "I'm 37 now, I've had sex with 200 men and now nobody wants me anymore"). (Example: http://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/1vg7vx/do_i_have_any_chance_of_meeting_a_good_guy/) Keep in mind: This subreddit isn't about dogma or ideology. It's about biological reality and how to make the most of it.

bustersin · 2014-01-17T15:43:17+00:00

Why does this need to be a new thread.

attaxx · 2014-01-17T16:31:19+00:00

women become useless by the age of 30

Women have a serious decline in fertility and attractiveness around 30, typically obvious when they're 35.

Why didn't this answer begin with a firm "no"?

That's the fucking problem, you expect to receive an answer that pleases you in every way. For you anything that deviates from your PC ridden speech is incorrect.

Why bother asking opinions to other people if what you really want is to hear something that agrees with you?

No. While plenty of people advocate plate-spinning, in which a man has multiple different casual sexual relationships, there is not a mass consensus that this should go on during an LTR or marriage.

But there is a mass consensus that this should happen before LTR or marriage? And never for women?

bullshit, head to asktrp and you'll find out that there was a guy who proposed to "spin her gf as a plate" he got called on his bullshit by a lot of guys. As for women, I don't see TRP guys putting burqas on women, they just advocate not giving up commitment to a girl that has many partners, you'd call it slut shaming, but I bet you wouldn't be as upset if some girl recommended other girl to not fuck guys who will spin her as a plate.

TRP ultimately gives women and men what they want, TRP advocates fucking girls who want to have fun, and be serious for girls that want to be serious ( and really serious, not putting a ring to a slut and then wonder why she cheated on you).

zed_0mega · 2014-01-17T15:56:42+00:00

sigh.

So would the accusation "men overwhelmingly come in two categories..." have been more accurate?

Alpha and Beta are labels assigned to traits exemplified by male actors within the sexual marketplace. Shorthand, we may refer to these actors by such a label if they trend toward one class of trait more than the other.

Do you, and by extension TRP, not believe in systemic gender oppression continuing to be rampant though society? From the glass ceiling, to unequal pay, to the-ability-to-get-pregnant's effect on the hiring process all the way to which toys are being marketed to which child's gender? Do you agree that this happens, but deemphasize, or disagree that any of that is a problem?

This has nothing whatsoever to do with SuperEgotisticalId's refutation of the false claim that TRP espouses "men are superior to women". If you want to talk about social issues, do that, but don't try to relate it to something entirely different.

Is the 1st mate not subservient to the captain? I am not sure why this answer started off with "no". Do you mean "no" as in not in EVERY way? In what ways do you feel women should not be submissive?

Read this. And this.

Why didn't this answer begin with a firm "no"? Is your answer an explanation of why you feel women are useless after 30?

Read through the comments on the original post, there is ample clarification.

Come on. Why wouldn't a man take a bunch of men having slept with his wife/SO as a part of pre-selection and be stoked so many guys found her sexy while the women take her husband/SO having slept with so many women as desperate and lowering his ability to bond? It seems arbitrary and like an unsubstantiated double standard. Why do you feel it isn't?

Men are typically not positively influenced by preselection. Women typically are. ^<-bottom ^of ^page ⁴

But there is a mass consensus that this should happen before LTR or marriage? And never for women?

Mass consensus doesn't matter - a man must make his own decisions about his life, pursuits, and beliefs. Spinning plates is a beneficial practice to some; others choose not to do so. Sexually promiscuous women tend to be less able to effectively pair bond after the promiscuity phase is over.

Look around for more than a few seconds. Read the sidebar material. Peruse the linked blogs. Your questions have been answered countless times, you just need to look around for the answers.

2014-01-17T16:44:44+00:00

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fiat_lux_ · 2014-01-17T17:33:44+00:00

So would the accusation "men overwhelmingly come in two categories..." have been more accurate? If you are arguing that this accusation can be honestly answered with a "no" and isn't true, why not have charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot groups?

Somewhat off the point, but you're conflating the greek alphabet with nato phonetic.

"Alfa, Bravo, Charlie" are used because alphabetical letters sound too similar.

E.g. "V" sounds like "B", "D", etc. That sounded confusing over radio and other media with transmission static, and nato phonetic helps with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

The greek lettered terms used here are classic ethological ones. "Beta" isn't even used that much these days, and others "gamma", "omega", etc. even less.

Title	Clarification of the refutation post. [Not disrespectful, simply confused].
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Date	January 17, 2014 3:14 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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