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[–]deepsouthscoundrel 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Regardless of why it's the case, TRP will continue to progress through the Overton degrees of acceptance. My personal guess is that it will reach the Sensible stage at 120,000 subscriptions and the Popular at 180,000. Finally, as outlined in The Misandry Bubble, the observable realities that TRP describes will have to be taken into account when making policy sometime before the year 2030.
Regardless of why it's the case, TRP will continue to progress through the Overton degrees of acceptance. My personal guess is that it will reach the Sensible stage at 120,000 subscriptions and the Popular at 180,000.
Finally, as outlined in The Misandry Bubble, the observable realities that TRP describes will have to be taken into account when making policy sometime before the year 2030.
I'd say that is yet to be determined. Once TRP tenets are picked up by the political realm, movement through the Overton Window will depend greatly on if the tenets are viewed as reactionary or progressive. If they're viewed as progressive then it's almost assured that TRP will be accepted into policy, and if it's viewed as reactionary then it's almost assured that it will not be accepted into policy. The West will only drift further left politically, and any concepts not willing to progress toward progressivism will be abandoned by the mainstream.
Edit: It's my hypothesis that TRP tenets will be classified as "anti-feminism" by the mainstream (when we get to that point), and thus be classified as "anti-progressive". I can't say I would disagree with that assessment.
[–]JohnPeel 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My belief is that they will be accepted by mainstream politicians as ultimately it will lead to a severe economic crisis as without the state backing of marriage and family productivity will decline sharply. All this has happened before in the Soviet Union:
http://www.justfourguys.com/red-pill-russia-hypergamy-and-polygynous-cads-unleashed-in-the-early-soviet-union/
[–]Draki1903 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know it's just a guess, but why those numbers? Gut feeling? Some mathematical model?
[–]1Rumble_in_the_Jungle[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A combination of both of those. 4-ish K to 20K was a factor of 4 or 5. 20K to 60K is a factor of 3. I think the growth is becoming a log scale, and it has to slow down just because the TRP sub-reddit is limited, well, to redditors. You have to have an account to hit "subscribe."
As a comparison, /r/seduction is at 175K, and PUA while not loved or even liked by the mainstream (think SWPL's and SJW's) is at least seen as reasonable given certain conditions. Almost everyone has at least heard of The Game or the movie Hitch and their reactions tend to be "oh ok it's a thing. I don't feel strongly about it, but it's there and has gotten more popular over time."
At the same time, I think 90%+ of men aged 18-25 will have searched online for something among the lines of "how to be good with women" and they certainly don't think poorly of themselves. If they're doing it, it must be at least Acceptable, if not downright Sensible.
[–]macsenscam 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Seems like a pretty well-expressed post, in my view. He brings up some of the flaws of this sub, basically dudes coming off like dicks. If you take anything too far you may get into trouble, I believe, including the good advice here. Of course his ideas about relationship power dynamics are pretty laughable. Sure, we all want to just have an idyllic no drama love life (or most of us I suppose) and we should work towards healthy relationships, but there are power games going on regardless. In its best form TRP is about objectively analyzing some of those dynamics and utilizing them for the overall good of humanity, including self.
In this light, I don't see why TRP has to be the enemy of feminism at all; but I define feminism pretty strictly as believing in equality of the sexes, not women as superior.
[–]TheSKSpecial 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
but I define feminism pretty strictly as believing in equality of the sexes, not women as superior.
Therein lies the problem. Although you define feminism as such, feminist words don't match their actions. TRP is the enemy of feminism because feminism has deluded women and demonized men.
Feminists claim they're fighting for equality of the sexes and will fight like hell for women, but never seem to ever fight for anything that would benefit men, or would actually make things equal but to the detriment of women.
Men are jailed more often with longer sentences than women for the same crimes. Men make up the higher percentage of the homeless population. Men commit suicide far more often than women. And so on. Mens Rights Activists have an entire list of grievances that feminists will not touch.
[–]macsenscam 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminist are always arguing about what the word means, so I just take the approach of picking what seems to be the most rational version and telling the so-called "feminists" who hate men that they are doing it wrong. I suspect that the purveyors of mass-culture are using divide and conquer tactics, but maybe I'm just paranoid. In any case, what is good for the geese is good for the gander, and vice-versa, so I don't see any need to argue about it. I support man's liberation, therefore I consider myself a feminist because man cannot be free without woman being free. It's all the same.
There is also an argument to be made that men have been crushed harder than women in a lot of ways because we are historically the defenders and so more important to destroy first. More paranoia probably...
[–]TheSKSpecial 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is also an argument to be made that men have been crushed harder than women in a lot of ways because we are historically the defenders and so more important to destroy first.
You at least recognize this. Many feminists, however, do not.
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