Finding the opening.

GaiusScaevolus · 2013-02-06T01:51:20+00:00

Best advice I can give you is to dress well and walk, talk and act like you're the smartest, strongest, hottest, badass-est muthf**ker in the world.

Also, congratulations on the weight loss, I've been there. Keep it up.

[deleted] · 2013-02-06T02:04:18+00:00

Don't be surprised when you lose the weight and you still have troubles. We all look for a crutch to lean on so that we have an excuse to rationalize away the fact that we just have a lot of work left to do. Most certainly keep losing the weight and dress better when you do, but your frame and confidence will always be the key.

[deleted] · 2013-02-07T04:20:15+00:00

Honestly man, you already know the answer to this problem: lose the weight. Make that priority number 1 for 3 months, stop wasting your time drinking / eating out with friends, get your shit together, then go have fun. So many guys get stuck in a vicious cycle of partying hard but getting no results when they could just break for 3 months, get things done, then go back out ang get 10x better results than they've ever had.

robot_army_mutiny · 2013-02-07T06:36:30+00:00

It's just game. Since you are bigger, you have to have a little bit tighter game. I'm 5'6" and 205 lb. I've been up to 235. I know a couple of guys who are a lot bigger and have great success.

Opening is a unique skill. Remember that opening is just an "in". You aren't trying to get her attracted to you by opening. You are only getting the set's attention and interest (although you can't do anything to kill any attraction, like leaning in, etc.). Opening is not about whether she is attracted to you or not. Opening is being interesting enough for them to stop what they are doing and pay attention.

The only way to get good at opening is to do it a fuck ton. Just practice opening until you can consistently get sets to blow open (to stop and pay attention to you without being annoyed). It's all about delivery and body language. Make sure that when you open, you appear to them to be just on the verge of leaving them - "body rock" which means keep your body turned as if you are about to walk away, and kind of move like you are about to leave. FTC - false time constraint: "hey, I'm headed to meet my bro, but real quick tell me..." you tell them you are not going to stick around.

These do two things: 1. It nullifies that anxiety girls get about oh, gawd, what does this guy want? Am I going to get trapped talking to some dude forever?, and 2. It makes you appear that you have shit going on, you are a busy, wanted man. Girls want what they can't have.

Then, there is the opener you use. Experiment with a few, but find the one or two that you like the most, that work the best for you. Use them over and over. Perfect them. They have to be different, something she hasn't heard before; interesting, I mean interesting to a girl - about sex or relationships or fashion or something like that; succinct, no girl is going to listen to you blather on for more than a minute. You have to BAM hit her upside the head with something totally new and interesting that will jolt her mind out of whatever she was doing and give her attention to you.

You also have to be OK with her group of friends. If it is a set of 2 or more, open the alpha of the group, the 'mother hen' if it is a group of girls. If it is a mixed group, open the most alpha guy. Usually, you don't want to direct your opener towards the target. You want to show her little or no interest at first. Whoever the target is hanging out with, you have to win their approval first. Get them interested in your opener. If the group is into it, she will be into it (people have a group mentality when out together, especially females).

Do all of that right, and then deal with getting her attracted to you.

Bobsutan · 2013-02-06T02:48:42+00:00

Remember when you're buying clothes to go a size up and have it altered to fit you. You'll waste fewer clothes that way as you adjust to the weight loss. And don't forget to go back to alterations every 2-3" or so you lose off the waist.

Life operates on a bell-curve. On one end of the spectrum are women who no matter what you do they just won't be interested. On the other end will be women who you're just a perfect match and you don't even really need game for. Just don't put your foot in your mouth. The women in the middle are indifferent and tight game can win them over. Now here's where things get interesting:

The more attractive you are--which is a composite of your looks, fitness, wardrobe, job, hobbies, social status, etc--the more women will be on the naturally attracted end of the spectrum.

Furthermore, the average quality of the women will be higher than someone with fewer women in this part of the bell curve. The better looking you are, the better looking they will be on average.

Lastly, as you'll see as you continue to slim is that the women who are in the middle and indifferent to you now will be won over easier and easier with game the more attractive you become. Similarly, you'll run into women who won't be won over no matter what with decreasing frequency.

HumanSockPuppet · 2013-02-06T03:07:00+00:00

At one point in my life I weighed 250 lbs. I'm a little taller than you, but my obesity showed through.

I hadn't yet been unplugged, but I had a lot of natural predisposition for alpha status. When I was surrounded by friends, I was the center of the interaction. I spoke loudly, confidently, and with conviction. I had strong opinions and a lot of knowledge, and all of my friends came to me for input, advice, or opinions.

My friends would introduce me to their friends; my social circle expanded, and my social status grew with the people who knew me. Women who made it into my circle would fall over themselves to get near me or alone with me.

It was when I was alone with them that I made a lot of my mistakes and ended up back at square one.

Point is, I was gaming before I knew what game was, even in spite of my weight and ignorance.

So you can imagine how much better things got when I finally got into better shape, started dressing well, and learned the rules of the game.

Confidence will always be number one. An attractive and well dressed man cannot attract a woman if he doesn't have confidence. An overweight poorly dressed confident man will have a difficult initial hurdle to clear as he pushes past a woman's preconceptions, but once he's done that he's good to go.

My recommendation: get yourself in shape and immerse yourself in the game as you do it. Don't let your appearance ever get in the way of how you regard your social value, because social value has more to do with what you can offer people than how you look.

VZPurp · 2013-02-06T01:18:02+00:00

Don't worry, I sometimes fumble around before I get it in too. She can help guide you if necessary.

chikinpickle · 2013-02-06T06:03:44+00:00

As I have lost a lot of weight (120 pounds). I progressed from walking a mile a day. To 2, 3, 4, high school football, running, now rock climbing. With my physique changing accordingly. I can tell you that the more weight I lose, the fitter I get, and the more muscular the more, and hotter women are becoming attracted to me.

I get smiled at on the bus, checked out walking down the street (I'll admit that I have good facial aesthetics).

Basically the more fit I become the more women are attracted to me. Hate to tell you but there isn't really an interim. Your physical body is really a key aspect of your game. I know people will tell you that looks don't matter, but they are just as important as your game. Just be patient and continue to work on your body.

That being said, you need game. Looks just get your foot in the door. Game is what opens the door.

10199 · 2013-02-06T04:07:13+00:00

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Title	Finding the opening.
Author	BigManRed
Upvotes	2
Comments	15
Date	February 6, 2013 1:15 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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