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How sexual equality increases the gap between rich and poor households

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May 3, 2014
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Title How sexual equality increases the gap between rich and poor households
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Date May 3, 2014 4:26 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True sexual equality would mean there would be millions of women working full time jobs while their husbands were unemployed homemakers. Obviously this has not happened, and successful women continue to desire to marry successful men, preferably men who are even more successful. So I don't think the title of this article is accurate: sexual equality would lead to a lower gini constant, but sexual equality has not been achieved and will not be achieved until women start desiring fundamentally different things, which will probably happen never.

[–]HeadingRed0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can I get that job?

[–]Sbijsoda6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I think the most interesting part of the article is this part:

A woman with a graduate degree whose husband dropped out of high school in 1960 could still enjoy household income 40% above the national average; by 2005, such a couple would earn 8% below it. In 1960 a household composed of two people with graduate degrees earned 76% above the average; by 2005, they earned 119% more.

It shows how ludicrous society has gotten with what jobs pay out a lot. It used to be that you could drop out of high school and still have a decent paying job in manufacturing or something else that didn't require a lot of experience but now-a-days you need someone with a degree in a high paying sector just to make a decent amount.

[–]noblepaladin 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Degree inflation. Degrees are being handed out like candy, so all the decent paying jobs that don't required specialized skills are being occupied by people with useless degrees. Businesses are not hiring people without degrees because it is hard for them to rationalize. Someone can sue them for discrimination if he/she has a degree and someone without a degree fills the position.

[–]1Gavlan_Wheel6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Griggs vs Duke Power also had a hand in this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

Instead of using basic intelligence tests to find good workers, companies now use a college degree as a proxy.

Companies can still give tests, but they have to be directly related to the work you are going to be doing. But as the recent lawsuit conclusion of the NYFD shows, even those tests are waycist, so you are better off just requiring college degrees.

[–]betagenic3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This is the legal doctrine known as "disparate impact". You can thank the Civil Rights Act and the EEOC.

[–]dman80002 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

but now-a-days you need someone with a degree in a high paying sector just to make a decent amount.

This isn't accurate. Do a job search for something in natural gas and tyou will find plenty of well paying jobs that only need a high school diploma.

[–]Sbijsoda1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually, you are right. Gas and oil jobs pay quite high, as well as other jobs such as coal mining. I remember watching a video somewhere that you could become a coal miner and get $60,000 a year and you need virtually 0 experience what so ever. However, every time I try searching online for these jobs I can never find any that have only high school diploma requirements. Shame, as I am sure there are many people (possibly even myself) that would jump on such an opportunity.

[–]dman80000 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=oil&l=North+Dakota I found several skimming through that.

[–]Sbijsoda1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

See I was on that website a few times already and everytime I click on a job it would always say you need 1+ year of experience....where do I get this 1 year of experience if that's what everyone wants? A lot of them also require certificates, although that's a different case and could probably be feasible for me to get, unlike the cache 22 of "I need experience to get a job, to get experience, to get a job..."

[–]girvo2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Having worked in a similar industry here in Australia: apply anyway. Most of the time "1 year experience" is flexible, you've just got to prove to them you're a fast learner who gives a shit and they'll hire you.

In fact, that advice works in pretty much every industry.

[–]carrotcake40 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in nursing unfortunately.

[–]dman80000 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Therre are a few that don't. And you get experience in something tangentially related. For example, second job

One year in pipeline operations/maintenance or equivalent related experience.

Spend a few months repairing or maintaining anything? Well thats equivalent experience!

[–]Sbijsoda0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha yeah, I also noticed a lot just say preferred and not required.....maybe a clean drug and health record might be all that it really takes to get a job like this. If college doesn't work out I'm definitely heading out to the oil fields, 2 years there and debt is all paid off.

[–]Eloni0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not where I live.

[–]dman80004 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Willingness to move is extremely important if you want a good job.

[–]Eloni0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm more than willing, I want to. Don't know if I'm eligible for a green card though.

[–]RPSavant2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Assortative mating is hardly mysterious. People with similar education tend to work in similar places and often find each other attractive. On top of this, the economic incentive to marry your peers has increased. A woman with a graduate degree whose husband dropped out of high school in 1960 could still enjoy household income 40% above the national average; by 2005, such a couple would earn 8% below it. In 1960 a household composed of two people with graduate degrees earned 76% above the average; by 2005, they earned 119% more. Women have far more choices than before, and that is one reason why inequality will be hard to reverse.

not sure how the economist got sexual equality from this.

[–]noblepaladin 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the point he is trying to make is that today, highly educated people marry highly educated people, and their household income end up being more than 2x the median. Highly educated people are not marrying high school drop outs, so lowly educated people end up marrying each other.

Before women went to college in large numbers and sought careers, highly educated men would marry lowly educated women. They probably still do today, I'm guessing the big difference is that highly educated women usually refuse to marry down.

[–]ss4james_2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

so lowly educated people end up marrying each other.

Also far more likely to have kids out of wedlock and put themselves in a cycle of welfare and state dependence.

[–]betagenic3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Charles Murray has a recent book about elites marrying more but elite-dominated culture glorifying divorce and single motherhood.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How sexual equality increases the gap between rich and poor households

It's great how the author stops just one step short of completely spelling the idea out. Feminism sought to "free women." That very action lead to wealth inequality between households. Of course, it would never be stated in the Economist that creating gender equality would lead to inequality somewhere else, only implied.

[–]Emperor_Quintana0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Too bad they made no mention of entrepreneurial couples, regardless of their educational background.

[–]carrotcake40 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they end up selling herbalife

[–]HeadingRed0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep in mind this is a pretty recent trend. Historically the rich married the rich and the poor married the poor. Then we started moving away from the caste system and you saw more marriages between different social and economic circles.

Now I see economics as one of the most common factors for those doing well, and race\religion\ethnicity is for the lower classes.

[–]AnotherLostCause-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty basic a man will marry a less wealthy less educated woman if she is beautiful,but women want wealthier more educated men. Icing on cake, women think their degrees in worthless subjects have value.

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