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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately the sub has become a place where questioning anything is no longer accepted and some of the posters have undeserved god complexes, with emotional tantrums and all. It's a shame that the content has begun to obscure an important message, but I suppose it happens to most movements as they grow.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Even some 'Endorsed Contributers' or moderators are like this.
Because of a personal preference of mine in prefering girls in the age range of 21-26, I got attacked and insulted for not being 'red pill enough' by mods. The fuck.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Sounds familiar, I got briefly banned yesterday for pointing out a flaw in one of IllimitableMan's posts. The guy got so hurt about people not showering him with compliments that he ran to his friends. Thankfully it was undone pretty quickly.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Oh look, this post just go removed off the front page of /r/theredpill
How surprising. /yawn
That's the nail in the coffin for me. See ya guys
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is the most perfect fucking example. "The community upvotes it?! No, I am not wrong, the community is wrong."
[–]Confluenced 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
His post added no value and was the equivalent of whining. Instead of posting content, just plain whining.
Read the sidebar material and incorporate that as a back bone. Half of /askTRP could be "read the sidebar material".
Which by the way is filled with very bitter material that comes off at "women hating", MGTOW, etc. People will interpret events and information differently. There are core tenets around TRP mentality. People typically find TRP after a traumatic event, eye opening mistake, etc.
They come here to vent and we tell them that's how the world is and man the fuck up. TRP sub hasn't suddenly imploded.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
The validity of a post is more or less decided by the community and it made it to the front page due to support from this very group of people. It was a valid point about the long-term impact of something that serves as a catalyst to changing your life. Personally, I enjoy the hostility, but that doesn't mean itsmsbetty was wrong.
As for the decine in quality around here, you must not have noticed the sudden increase in deleted posts, bans over anything that comes close to a contrary viewpoint and all that shit. Maybe it's the mod that joined 5 days ago, maybe not. Many people here have noticed and it's getting stupid.
Edit: I can understand emotional responses from people new to TRP, but mid- and long-term commentators having tantrums is not cool.
[–]Confluenced 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I get where you are coming from. The Mods have tried to keep things organized by creating /askTRP, or /TRPoffTopic, or /PussyPass or even /thankTRP
the list goes on. First the community complained about all of that content needing its own sub, so then they removed it and banned a bunch of posts. By creating so many other category subs to filter content to, they fucked over all the new content because it can, in a way, be filtered to another sub other than TRP.
Why not bring it up instead of complain and leave a great community?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The post did bring it up and I have already messaged the mods about getting rid of whichever mod is handing out bans for not being a good little circle-jerker. I really hope this sub doesn't become another hotbed of tears, but what I've seen the last couple days indicates that it might be heading that way.
[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It was removed by automod because community members reported it. Not the mods. Your peers. That said, it does warrant removal anyway since it's concern trolling, which is expressly prohibited within TRP.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That makes more sense. Though i'm not sure how it's concern trolling. It's a concern, but there was nothing in my post trolling. I wasn't trying to get people to 'rise against' this sub. I wasn't trying to start a rebelion. I simply laid out my concerns and said "this is why i'm leaving"
[–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Source. I call bullshit.
Nobody would ever give you shit or say "you're not red pill enough" (whatever that means) because you like pretty, young women. Wtf sub are you from?
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you really care enough for source, you can find it in my post history.
The fact that this post was removed from any listings (it was on the front page of /r/theredpill) should prove these moderators aren't the type of red pill moderators you think they are.
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[–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Right. But it's still possible to link through using a site like redditlog.
[–]Prattler26 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's wrong with the 21-26 age range? If anything, it's in perfect agreement with TRP. Younger than 21 works, too, but it will be hard to pull off if you're over 30 yourself. Over 26 it's getting very dangerous.
[–]1FrogTrainer 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well said. I can't disagree with a single thing you said.
I only hope you stay. Provide some awesome content, up-vote the good content you see, down-vote the shit you think doesn't belong here.
[–]DarkSayed 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It makes me bitter. That's the nature of continuously reading posts like "45 year old beta husband walks in on her wife of 20 years sucking three dicks at the same time. He forgives her and buys her a new car". That'd make ANYONE bitter.
This sub has grown quickly. There are lots of lurkers who are unsure about it and have yet to swallow. The reason you see stuff like this is because there is a constant stream of newbies discovering the nature of relationships for the first time. Not the BS Disney type stuff they have grown up with, but actual, real, relationships, where a man can invest enormous amounts of time and money into it only to catch his wife being spit-roasted.
Without these examples, what do we have to go on? Why should anyone pay attention to TRP without real life examples?
All of these examples, one after the other, will indeed make a blue-piller take the pussy off the pedestal, because the pussy does not deserve to be on the pedestal. But just claiming that without actual, concrete examples is futile. You need to see that the d-bag can be more successful with pussy-slaying than the good guy faithful husband who worked his ass off for his family.
I can agree with your point, but I also don't think it's a good thing. Sure, these blue pillers are getting unplugged, but they are being shoved into a world where you can hate a women for basically anything they do. And when that happens, what's the difference between the extremely bitter and angry virgin, and the bitter and angry feminist.
As men, we need to understand women for who they are, and not hold that against them. We need to lead. And a leader does not discriminate. A leader uses every single person to their advantages. A leader sais "You are good with medicine and healing. But you are not good with fighting and guns. Join us as a medic." A leader does not say "You are good with medicine and healing, but you're not good with X and Y, I hate you, never talk to me again, all of you are worthless."
[–]mercuryg6 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I know exactly what you mean, the number of subscribers has gone from 20k to now 54k since i started, and i've noticed the decline in quality too.
[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's the expectations that fuck you over.
The people new or relatively new to this sub still hold on to their expectations. A lot of it has been indoctrinated by society (think religion, think schools, etc.). Until they can relinquish those expectations, they will be forever bound to their anguish.
Please stay and keep posting quality content, we need you here
[–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Godspeed! If you've learned what you had to learn, then you're free to go.
But looking down on newbies who've just had their paradigms shattered right before their eyes and still carry scars of painful past relationships? How do you even muster up the audacity to beat people up while their down on the floor like that? Picture a highschool scenario where a kid gets beaten by a bully and comes home to cry. You step up and tell him that his anger and resentment are invalid and he should just ignore those feelings. Well, guess what, those feelings have to go somewhere and if they're not expressed, then they'll just stay inside and pollute the boy's being.
Maybe it's because of bias, but I don't see this rampant woman hatred and bitterness that you see. I see some, but it doesn't drive me nuts. I can empathize with that anger, I haven't forgotten my roots. The last thing I wanted back when I was in my angry phases was somebody telling me to shut up and keep quiet and put on an act of being happy and high value.
You've come out of it wonderfully, just consider yourself lucky for not stagnating in bitter, negative emotions like many other men have. No need to bash on the people who are going through tough phases.
This is one of those ultimate truths out there, but also ironically one of the toughest ones to grasp. A guy who's lived in the Blue Pill world holds plenty of expectations of women, he will fuck up many times. RP is about letting go of those expectations and treating women as women. A lot of this anger comes from women not fitting into those expectations. This causes anger. But once that's over, it's done. Fool me once, I get angry and shit, but fool me twice, I won't get mad because I didn't expect differently from you.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Please don't misunderstand. I'm not bashing the younger kids, I still think this is a great source for younger people. I'm not saying to get over there problems, to stop being bitter. TheRedPill is truth. But this SUBREDDIT vends the truth in a very bitter and angry way. The reason being is because the majority of posters are talking about how hard they got fucked over, rather then talking about how to stand up, be a man, and conquer. And if you're a 17 year old and all you read is how women are the devil, how women are all liars and sluts, then that'll teach the 17 year old boy to hate the women. To excuse his failures on the unjust females. Rather then understanding that he has the power to change all of it.
[–]1Zackcid 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see what you're saying and it makes sense. All I have to offer is the fact that I know I've personally hated women before engaging in TRP, but have come out of it much differently, more charismatic, and much less bitter.
TRP does point out to shitty behaviour in women, but one thing it does not is teach guys to hate women. Rather the opposite. We are to accept and appreciate women for how they are. It's not their fault they're born that way, so hating their being is pointless. I wouldn't hate a lion for biting my leg off. I'd get angry for a few seconds, but shit, he's just doing what lions do man.
Ultimately, I can tell that you and I both agree on the fact that hating the mean, bad women is bad for your development as a man. It stagnates you, it removes the drive to achieve. But I believe that catalyzer is important. Eventually, this hatred turns into more productive emotions.
[–]Lithiumthium 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe that is a process and the part you described is the longest part, but inevitably we all go through this. I can relate to that and also understand your frustration, it brings bad memories from blue pill days and 7 times out of 10 you will read a story where you will remember some harsh blue pill moments where you failed to get the girl.
But I can’t blame them, most of us that find this sub passed most of their lives “locked inside the Femtrix”, some years, other decades, and all this pent-up frustration blows up when swallowing the pill, but I am okay with that, hell you gotta release in some way, being angry at yourself is a good start to RPilling IMHO, you release all that bad feelings, come in terms with it and enter a journey to real manhood a la Don Jon style.
I honestly wouldn’t like to lose a RPiller bro or a soon to be one, the ones that misunderstood, the ones that are still angry about women, the ones that are having the toughest time of their lives swallowing the pill, the ones that reached lvl 80 rpiller with legendary equips, the ones who say “ Do not believe in the me that believes in you believe in the you that believes in yourself”, the ones who bring articles or theories, you are all my bros in one way or another, and I will use my journey/experience/whatever to help the ones who lost their track and went stray, turned mysoginistic? Depressed? Don’t know where to go from now? RP will be there for ya.
It is about the journey isn't it? Some starts will be bumpy, but as long as you are on the right track it is okay
[–]fiat_lux_ 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the "extra" bitterness you're witnessing and objecting to now may just be the fact that there are so many in the group now. A leader with conviction would stand his ground, be stubborn against this bitterness, show by example the best way forward ... but of course you have no obligation to do this and are free to disassociate.
[–]Crimson_Rot 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Always viewed threads like that as harsh examples to break the pedestal.
[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Any form of hatred is not something to shy away from. Hatred is part of human existence, just like any other feeling. If you can harness this hatred and burn it like a fuel you will learn that it can propel you much farther than if you were without it. And at the end, you will find that, as with all the fuels, it eventually runs out.
The reddit circlejerk is not something that can be avoided. If you want to know how bad misogyny can be, go to /r9k/.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Personally, hatred has never been a good motivator for me. Passion has been the best motivator for me.
[–]Endorsed ContributorDenswend 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hatred and passion are always the feelings I have a hard time differentiating. But sure, everyone's got their preferences.
[–]Croc_Chop 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
OP i just made a comment about this in another sub i think we're both on to something
Dude not to be a nanny cam But if this dude was one of your m8's wouldn't you try to at least help him?, I think the message of the pill has gone over your head a bit the point is not to be an uncaring heartless bastard But to be the best man you can be, a pillar a rock who doesn't let ANYONE ( not just women) walk over him The fact that the lessons People (not you) take from this sub are to laugh at the misfortunes and naivety of others is why i can kinda see why the rest of Reddit hates this place. I thought the red pill was about masculinity Not the Angry bullshit i keep seeing on the FrontPage of this sub,I wish we were back to 30,000 members again Because this place is starting to go down hill with all the recent attention. I don't know about you But men don't laugh at each others misfortune that's a Female Tactic if anything we should get this guy help because that's the masculine way to do things. ( Just needed an excuse this Not Mad at you directly But Ive been seeing a trend of Bullshit on this sub lately That I goddamn know after a year on this sub aren't the redpill message that's supposed to be received. )
[–]itsmsbetty[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Agree completely with your comment, though it's hard to read with the bold / italics, I suggest to just put it in a quote using "> quote here"
quote here
[–]Croc_Chop 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thanks
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[–]itsmsbetty[S] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No. I wouldn't blame it on the red pill. When I 'took' the red pill, it was enlightening. It was rejuvinating.
[–]-Tyler_Durden-1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Bitterness and misogyny are to be expected with someone who is just figuring out how our brains really work and that evolutionary psychology is the reason. After all, we have been lied to as to what really makes people want to mate with us. We were told to just be yourself and be a kind and generous person. I would like nothing more to be one of those nice guys if it worked; however, it doesn't and you have to be an asshole. It takes a lot of work to be proper asshole. Working out is hard, maintaining frame is hard, being a man is hard, and there are no shortcuts or "hacks" to do this. Being yourself is easy, being nice is easy, buying a woman things is easy; but, these will not make a woman really want you as a lover.
I have become more tolerant about women and their behavior. This is because I now understand why they do the things they do when their actions are not logical (in my perspective). After you truly accept the reality behind a woman's actions you can accept them for who and what they are and get past the anger. Being angry and hating women is useless and a waste of time.
[+]Confluenced -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The original members had an attitude of "fuck this shit. I got screwed over by society. But i'm a man, and this is what I have to do to get out of this shit." Now it seems like the attitude is more of "boohoo girls are so lucky. Boohoo girls are so unfair. Boohoo why is life so shitty."
Ummm I see this attitude in almost every post where someone whines. Even when TRP started there were lots of MRA posts, divorce rape, guys getting cheated on, etc. These are all stories to illustrate a point and why you have to be your best.
Guess what? This is the whiniest post of all time! Instead if sticking around to provide better content, replying and helping newcomers, etc, you are just giving up.
I was in /r/asktrp and I saw a guy giving the worst advice ever, but he was making it seem like he's been through so many women, that he's the god of alphaness. Checked his post history. He's never been laid. Surprise.
Wow you are so beta. This made me cringe. Who has the fucking time to search post history? Not a man with a plan.
EDIT: Can't believe this guy went through someones post history. Get a life man, no goal oriented individual gives a shit about some random person on the internet.
[–]itsmsbetty[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You seemed to miss the point.
I too think it's ridiculous I had to check a users post history to see the validity behind his advice. But that brings to question, how do you know what you're reading is advice posted by a seasoned veteran, or a bluepill virgin?
[–]Confluenced 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read the sidebar material and incorporate that as a back bone. Half of /askTRP could be the reply "read the sidebar material".
[–]extendobro -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah fuck women
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