Maxing out SMV... for what?

Samiswise_ · 2014-12-05T07:45:56+00:00

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you are all that interested in women. You sound like a really smart guy who loves what he does and what he can create. So don't waste your time with women if you don't want to. Instead focus on what is important to you. Create something that changes the world and inspires people. Or become the most famous concert pianist of the 21st century. I don't care what you do, but don't waste your mind because a subreddit tells you that you should be spinning plates. Everyone has their own vision of success, whether it means spinning 10 plates at once or landing a rocket on a comet. Do what will make you happy. If girls don't make you happy then don't waste your talents trying to get good at game. Work on something that makes you happy.

The world needs more people like you to advance our society. Be the Genius you are, you'll probably create or discover something that completely changes how we as a species view the world.

holybad · 2014-12-05T17:42:42+00:00

Sounds like you are fixing to pull a Tesla on the world. Go do something great without women getting in your way. Just don't be surprised when you propose to a pigeon in your golden years.

grendalor · 2014-12-05T14:42:24+00:00

The key question for you is whether you want, at some point, to find an attractive woman and marry her (presumably the only licit outlet for sex as a religious person). If you do, then you need Game. Period.

The reason is this: religious girls are still girls. It's that simple. In 2014, without Game, you're going to make a LOT of mistakes with girls, including even the religious ones. That's because they're still girls, and they still live in this culture. Girls and women in this culture require Game in order to be adequately managed in the context of a relationship.

I realize that may raise an issue as to timing -- that is, if you don't want to look for a woman until you are 25, then why bother doing anything relating to Game and so on now? Well, the reason is that, like anything else, it isn't built up to a good level overnight. It needs practice.

That doesn't necessarily mean violating your values and having sex (although you do realize, I think, that you are in a significant disadvantage in this market if you choose that path, and that disadvantage is also the case with religious girls, because they still almost all want a man who has at least some experience -- virginity among men is not sexy even for religious girls, generally). But it does mean that you should be interacting with women regularly, flirting with them, gaming them, getting IOIs and so on. You need to build up those skills, so that when you are ready to look for a woman to be your wife (if that is what you want), you will have the Game to be able to secure her, lock her down, and keep her.

Redpillc0re · 2014-12-05T16:24:36+00:00

A lot of this has to do with your upbringing. You are not-so-interested in chasing girls because you didn't grow up doing it as a teenager i guess, and you didn't let popular media and movies get it into your head that "women are the ultimate prize". The good thing is, you can easily train yourself to be immune to female bullshit, because you will be entering the market with a more mature brain.

You asked the right question, though: Is game necessary for your growth as a person? The answer is rather complicated, not certain if the pros outweight the cons, depends also on luck and the relationships you have.

MoneyStatusLooks · 2014-12-05T09:53:55+00:00

Hey man, I was in your situation a little bit when I was younger. I focused so much on work/my mission that I didn't see much need for women in my life.

The overall goal has to be happiness right? So think about what makes you happy. Personally, the 'balanced life' has made me feel pretty happy. Kick ass in your career, have a beautiful woman, good friends, good social life, good finances, great health/body. Don't buy too much in to materialism. Get those sorted and see how happy you feel. I know having all your chickens in order does a lot for your self esteem/happiness in general. Or at least it did for me.

If you have everything in order, and you are still not very happy, you need to re-examine things deeply and try and figure it out. If you are missing out on a lot of good sex, you might be unhappy because your biology is crying out for it. See sex transmutation: http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/tgr/tgr16.htm. Its a beautiful thing.

nono__ · 2014-12-05T06:14:31+00:00

There is a lot of value to this sub I think apart from sexual strategy. Just reading the regular horror stories on here will help you not make the mistake of marrying a feminazi and getting screwed up by the divorce courts later.

VegasHostTre · 2014-12-05T04:32:08+00:00

I think you should still work on improving yourself, if not for women, to keep on your toes. Do not get too settled in your situation or your SMV could drop. As they say "Thankful yes. Content never."

Rhunta · 2014-12-05T10:22:45+00:00

Damn your life sounds like mine.

The religion, The piano, The engineering, The monk mode, Being virgin.

SeekingTheWay · 2014-12-05T13:20:39+00:00

Don't get super dogmatic on the religion thing. If you want to fuck a girl, fuck her. I have a lots of religious friends who are totally moral and stuff, but still have a LTR girlfriends and fuck them. After all, the greatest thing the Bible proclaims is love and in LTR, you can take sex as its materialization.

FunAndFreedom · 2014-12-05T15:05:47+00:00

I would leave the sub. I don't mean that in a harsh way, but your priorities are elsewhere and this isn't a place to change your mind. TRP is more like Judaism than evangelical Christianity in that new recruits aren't a big deal.

You talk about your high SMV but you really don't have it, you're 19 and a virgin. Your claim to high SMV is you play Piano, have a scholarship, an internship and someday you might have an MBA. These are good things to have, but it doesn't mean you have a high SMV. It means you are on track to join all the other beta bucks and marry a nice girl just off the CC. This of course after you sacrifice your youth working hard and being sexually frustrated to be in a position to buy her a nice house and car.

Maybe you're ok with this. Maybe you'll find a nice religious girl who will claim to be a virgin and spend the rest of your life with her. Although you might want to read some redditlog threads we have on here about 'virgin' brides.

But here's the thing, your story isn't special or unique. I could go to any college in any state and find a young kid with a story similar to yours. That's why I think you should just leave the sub honestly. You have wrapped yourself up in this notion about your self worth almost like a defense mechanism. I'm not sure you are really going to be able to get anything out of this forum until you are ready to let go of your previous mindset.

ColdEiric · 2014-12-05T16:03:32+00:00

“Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.” Oscar Wilde

SMV is power. You're attractive, because you are valuable to people. Strength, intelligence, memory, speed, charisma, you name it, is about having more options. Just like your dad, and his SMV. Whatever he can and will do for you, that's your power-by-proxy, so to speak. Imagine if you didn't have your dad, and his skills, his network of contacts. How would your life be lesser without him? Or if you haven't got your strong arms, what couldn't you lift with them? Or without your piano and the classical music concerts? And how would that lack lessen your life?

If you are valuable to people, then you can demand and trade what you need or want. So, you increase your SMV in order to be more dominant, and that dominance gives you power to whatever you want to do in your life. If you're not friendly to friends, friends won't or can't help you, 'cause you're a fucking asshole. If you're not valuable to people, you can't bargain and trade for their value. Just like if you're broke, your can't trade and buy new stuff for that money you haven't got. And so on.

I am a concert pianist, I performed in Carnegie Hall twice, both when I was 16 years old.

You play awesome, beautiful music to whomever pay. Imagine what you earn for that. Ask someone who can't play like you do, and notice how they do not get paid, like you do. That's what SMV means. Or the socioeconomic status you got for status markers such as "I played this Carnegie Hall, when I were sixteen".

I know it sounds like I'm seeking validation, and I hate that, but I feel like I'm wasting my life. If it matters, I'm about to turn 20 and I'm a sophomore in college.

What are you going to do in your life? What's your mission? Your SMV is your level of options to do what you want to with your time. Until you find what you want you're going to feel like you're wasting your life. What are you here for?

Here's the kicker - we're very religious.

Learn to be grateful, unless you already are, and you'll understand what you've got. In fact, we all ought be grateful.

monsieurhire2 · 2014-12-05T17:21:52+00:00

The point to having premarital sex, at least from an enlightened standpoint, is to demystify and understand sex in and of itself, before committing to a lifelong partnership of which sex is a big part of.

While there are plenty of people who save themselves for each other, marry, and live happily ever after, there are also plenty of people who try to do that and have it blow up in their face.

My cousin did that. He was religious, in monk mode his whole life: high school, college, graduate school, until he finally married a younger, beautiful women that he had dated for several years. He told me he was saving himself for marriage. Well, after a brief marriage, he's now divorced. He refuses to discuss what happened. Everyone is speculating. Since he's religious, I can only assume he's going through a period of self-loathing over having violated an oath before God. I'm an agnostic, so I can use my imagination to put myself in his shoes. He argued to me when I told him to go out and lose it, that "It would cheapen it."

As someone who is thoroughly explored his sexuality, I can say that there is a vast gulf between sex, and things like love, respect, etc. that make a relationship. Sex used to be a kind of quick-fix glue to hold people together. People didn't love that long anyway. It was important for them to have children before they dropped dead so civilization could keep running. Religion is often about getting people to do things without having them think or question. They are told to "have faith." In the case of his brother, it seems to have worked out. They guy married his childhood sweetheart, has a few kids, a career, and seems happy. He made it through the rough patch of being tempted to stray, I think. I remember how uptight he'd get when I would talk about sleeping with women, or hitting on them. He didn't understand the difference between marriageable women and gutter sluts.

One of the dangers you may face is getting taken in by a conniving, con-artist gutter slut posing as a marriageable woman. Many gutter sluts aren't stupid; they know they'll have to roll out the oscar-winning performance at some point. I'm not saying you should marry a virgin either, because they can have different issues. Imagine two virgins marrying, each knowing nothing about sex, and then discovering that they are completely sexually incompatible, or that their attraction fades, and then they don't know how to re-enchant, and then they think their "love" has faded, so they despise each other!

Learning about sex is like learning about anything else; it's interesting as an intellectual pursuit as well as on the experiential level. You can learn about it for the sake of learning about it, before you commit yourself to someone for the rest of your life, if that is what you decide to wind up doing. Or you can roll the dice in that department and go in blind.

Also, there is a gap between understanding the theory and applying it practically in real life.

TekkomanKingz · 2014-12-05T19:55:32+00:00

It sounds like you are having trouble reconciling RP with your personal beliefs. Join the club!!!

On the surface level I can't see cost-benefit analysis any net ROI in your improving your game if you are not seeking pre-marital sex. Many replying to this post will try and convince you why your personal beliefs are wrong but this is the incorrect approach. Although I will warn you not having pre-marital sex with an American woman could spell problems later on in the relationship, even if you don't particularly care for sex or have a high sex drive.

The only goal you guys need to have in regards to responses to this post are to protect his mental sanity and wallet. The simplest way to assure this is to get a foreign wife that speaks little to no English. You will wield all the power and have a doting and submissive wife that wants nothing more than the security you provide emotionally and financially. Better yet see if your skills cannot take you abroad where this will doubly ensure she is unable to take advantage of your kindness or try and leverage the union against you. This is assuming she is ever corrupted by feminists values in the West.

So basically in a nutshell my personal proposed solution for you is to travel abroad and find a wife that barely speaks English but make sure her family isn't dirt poor. Stay far away from Eastern Europe. I'd focus on South East Asia or Latin America as a last resort. Even Africa if you are attracted to Black women. But for the love of God and all that is holy - Leave the Carribean or Eastern European women alone!

2014-12-05T04:46:48+00:00

Playing the field isn't what's fun but getting the validation from other people is. From men and from women. I saw a poster here saying they just a GF so other people didn't think he was a loser. That says it all.

Not many people here would admit that.

Sarcasticus · 2014-12-05T12:50:27+00:00

A high SMV can help you achieve your goals with women, no matter what they are. Looking to nail sluts day and night? It's beneficial to have a high SMV. Looking to nail down that 18 year old virgin bride? It's also beneficial to have a high SMV.

A high SMV will also benefit you in other areas of your life. Going from low SMV to high SMV will give you self-confidence, which helps with business relationships.

I can appreciate that you have a well defined sense of self, and you appear to know what you want. However, you can't go from zero experience with women to landing your dream girl overnight. I would argue that you need to start developing your game, regardless of your ultimate intent.

SgtTRP · 2014-12-05T04:33:03+00:00

I feel like I'm wasting my life.

Sometimes your intuition is right.

should I just leave this sub?

TRP is about sexual strategy. Are you interested in sexual strategy?

NeopolitanAfterglow · 2014-12-05T14:59:27+00:00

No sex before marriage? Yeah, you're a devout blue piller. You're not ready for real advice.

Title	Maxing out SMV... for what?
Author	The_BitterTruth
Upvotes	6
Comments	28
Date	December 5, 2014 3:35 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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