Negging. A useful tool or make you look like a tool?

thegman84 · 2013-09-06T06:23:26+00:00

Neg hits work.....there's no question about it. Women want men whom they see as having a higher value then themselves.

But artifically supressing a woman's self worth isn't red pill.

The most red pill thing you can do is start gaining self confidence, improving your career/hobbies, getting into shape, and generally taking control of your life in a productive way to actually make yourself more valuable.

untitled1 · 2013-09-06T06:22:09+00:00

Negging, as it was originally introduced by Mystery, is a tactic to attempt to lower a girl's Value, thus making your own Value appear relatively higher by comparison. Basically, you try to insult her without making it sound like an insult.

I'm against it. At it's core it is needy behavior, and it will backfire because most people can see through it. If you're sufficiently High Value, you shouldn't need to lower others' value to come out on top.

Teasing, on the other hand, is invaluable. Whereas negging is an underhanded insult, teasing is playful and sarcastic. It can be used to create comfort and rapport (only friends tease each other), or it can be used in push-pull.

I like to stop mid-makeout, and with a very serious expression ask, "What's your name again?" The result is an incredulous look, followed by a coy smile.

Tease, don't neg.

MockingDead · 2013-09-06T13:50:12+00:00

A total tool. The kind of tool that unlocks women's vaginas. ;D

People think negging is manipulation. These same people will tease a friend when the friend makes a mistake.

That's what negging is. When you make a joke to a friend with a bit of a bite, you are negging friends.

When I meet a group of men, we neg each other. It just happens to work really well on women.

Tiway22 · 2013-09-06T06:20:09+00:00

It's better to compliment sparingly and treat them like you would a little sister. Don't "neg" or insult. Tease, and flatter seldomly.

pialox · 2013-09-06T06:54:51+00:00

Negging has its time a place. If I know a girl is trying to seek validation I will playfully neg her but it is really a push/pull thing.

Teasing is far more effective and shows that you aren't trying to push her down while you pull yourself up in the value stakes.

It is merely to ensure that she knows that I won't allow her try and feel she is artificially increasing her value with me and it will take a little more to win me over.

Really it is a balancing act.

GayLubeOil · 2013-09-06T10:09:40+00:00

If you behave in a manner that pleases others and displeases yourself then you are by definition blue pill. Women in clubs dress and act like sex clowns. There are plenty of witty observations to be made at their expense. So what im saying is there are different ways to have fun at clubs.

TRP_ · 2013-09-06T09:00:24+00:00

It can work, it's not "I think you're ugly and stupid" as TBP portrays it. It's more of a " your shoes don't really go well with that outfit" but it's really situational.

FortunateBum · 2013-09-06T16:27:53+00:00

the only time you neg is with really hot women 9/10's and then its to disable the bitch shield.

negging is how you get in immediately in very competitive places, not how you normally interact.

it has a purpose and a use, but its a tool that isn't needed often and indeed is most often counterproductive

SupALupRT · 2013-09-06T23:31:45+00:00

I consider negging teasing, and if you do it right, its fun and not insulting at all.

HeadingRed · 2013-09-07T03:49:14+00:00

It's a tool I have been using tit for tat. If I get negged by a woman and I don't want to go deeper (like this)-

Her "That shirt looks awful" Me "Got a whole closet full of worse ones"

Then it's a bigger one back Her "That shirt looks awful" Me "You just come in from mowing the lawn?"

I don't start negging off the bat- unless it's clearly sarcastic. If it's a neg shit-test on her part to establish dominance (or check mine) then it's game on.

puaSenator · 2013-09-07T06:30:57+00:00

I actually just commented on this in another thread: Here's the copy pasta

I think the problem with negging is that it's commonly used by neckbeard PUAs and it comes off terrible. When I "neg" I'm doing it to show her I'm an equal and wont put up with her shit, and she's not above getting shit in return.

However, when a lot of these new PUAs do it, it comes off either awkward, dickish, or both. They hear, "Oh just make fun of them a little bit, it'll hurt their self esteem, and they'll come down to my level and make it easier." In reality, you'll only get two responses: A chick that does fall for it. Great, now you have an insecure chick who's going to end up being crazy. Or you get a chick that thinks you're a fucking douche and tries to run away.

A proper neg is something like, "Really, that's your third shot in an hour. I think I'm going to have to bring you to AA in the morning," or "No, I don't buy drinks for girls with ridiculous hats. Seriously!? Who are your friends? I can't believe they let you wear that out! HAHAHAHA" However, a lot of PUAs version of a neg is "Are you really on your third shot this hour? Wow, you are a fucking drunk aren't you?" or "Your hat looks ugly, but I'm bored so I'll talk to you."

Basically, the PUA neg tends to be about insulting the chick in an attempt to bring her down. However, a "neg" needs to be used more like teasing and showing that you're not a pushover.

mach11 · 2013-09-07T22:54:18+00:00

Negs are for defusing bitchy/entitled girls. Being mean spirited when it isn't warranted is tool behavior.

McDoogleSnatch · 2013-09-06T06:17:38+00:00

I've seen a friend of mine do this. He's a really smart dude, electrical engineering degree and masters in business. He's in great shape, hits the gym regularly. Yet, he has sort of an idiot quality about him. It's like he doesn't quite know how to communicate, and says ridiculous things with the straightest face.

My point is that this guy would neg a girl and she wouldn't know if he was being honest, sincere or hurtful. I don't think he even knew he was negging (he was certainly doing it before he became aware of the term). He was just saying goofy shit about you with just enough sincerity to make you say, "Thanks," but think dammit.

When I read about how to neg, I always picture my friend. But, for me, I can't seem to do it right. If I think I'm intentionally insulting someone, it comes off that way. I like making jokes, saying things somewhat taboo in a comedic way that leaves no room for doubt that I'm just kidding. When I neg, my response is to do the same. The problem is if I say, "That's an intriguing purse, I saw a girl leaving with the same one," as if it were a joke, it comes off as weird and offensive.

So, for what it's worth, if you can sell the neg, I don't see why you shouldn't use it. If you can't, there's other tools available.

phx-au · 2013-09-06T06:38:40+00:00

Negging is the realm of PUA, specifically a tool used on women with low self confidence. Personally I see that as conning a girl into bed.

Why do you feel like you need to manipulate a woman into being attracted to you?

Work to make yourself be a man that a women find attractive. Evaluate things that are posted here, and keep them in mind so you can stay firmly grounded in reality, despite what society has been teaching you.

Remember that options shared in TRP have a fairly extremist tail - but the ability to have these discussions is a good thing.

2013-09-06T12:19:43+00:00

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Title	Negging. A useful tool or make you look like a tool?
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Date	September 6, 2013 5:38 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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