So this sub was right?

I will admit that for the majority of the time that I knew about this sub I assumed that it was just BS. But as I was curious to see what this sub was about, I began to read stuff on this sub to see what this sub was REALLY about (I plainly refuse to follow) and it clicked with some of my life experiences(Thanks my useless excuse of a mother, you did one thing that actually was useful to me)

Because of this I did start following your advice, albeit cautiously as I did not 100% believe in this subs advice, which resulted in me going from skinny fat to lean, from being too shy to fucking talk to girls(would literally freeze up) to somewhat confident(This was actually fucking painful for me, though I thank my "Alpha" friend for forcing me to talk to women) and with an actual haircut.

After these changes, I did somewhat notice that I was treated better by women due to these changes. (Rising SMV + Mixed/Tallish?) though I still have no idea how to escalate/f-close though.

Over time I began to see more and more how this sub is right in everyday life, from the whipped people who will do anything for a girl to those who cant get over breakups etc.

Then as I stood somewhat convinced that you guys were right, I saw the unrestricted women thread in the science sub which has made me see this sub as actually legitimate, I don't know what to do now though.

At least I can say "Thank You" to this sub for assisting me in becoming not shy, bluepilled or skinny fat before I even reach 18 years old this month.

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Well most of the stuff on here is just unfalsifiable/unverifiable.

Everything we are told about women from birth is definitely falsifiable and easily verified if it were true - it's provably false and a few basic observations of the world is all that's needed.

So in that way TRP is no worse than the rest of the world. "Women love you" and "women care" and "women are good for you" and "just be yourself" and "it'll happen when you least expect it" and "relationships are work but worth it" and so on. Endless advice, all of it demonstrably wrong.

The problem is though - what would you accept as proof? I can't prove AWALT.... but those that don't believe it fall straight into the trap of believing THIS ONE is different. AWALT is clearly better than letting every single man on the planet believe "this one girl is different, she's not like the rest". That's what every guy who ever married thought.

If you're looking for well funded research and clear statistics to be published in a gynocentric society in which men are fired on a woman's say-so, then good luck to you. Just because the research hasn't proved it doesn't mean it's not true.

All I can say is open your eyes and keep an open mind to the fact that what most people believe might be complete fiction. Especially about women.

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in that way TRP is no worse than the rest of the world

Yeah, I'm not arguing that. That's correct; popular opinion doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.

Let's take a common TRP trope like "men are logical, women are emotional". This sort of just "feels" true and seems to explain things, so we use it. Now there is some actual research on the topic, but the conclusions are still ambiguous at best and definitely don't support the way TRP uses this mantra. So it's not "true" in the sense we can be confident (scientifically) that it's a real phenomenon.

This doesn't mean it isn't useful though. Maybe it's the case that treating women as purely emotional beings somehow leads to more sex; whether or not that's accurate in the scientific sense.

TRP is just a collection of useful heuristics developed through anecdote and very loosely applied evopsych. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just not "truth" in the way many here would like to believe.

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Now there is some actual research on the topic

There is negligible research on anything that might go against the pro-female narrative. If there are any pro-male or anti-female results they lose their funding.

It's my experience that women are a lot more emotional than me. Less able to cope with adversity, more likely to need help, more likely to collapse when the going gets tough or something needs to be done. But this is comparing one man against lots of women. Perhaps I'm less emotional than the average man, but from my experience of men they don't seem so different to me.

So it's not "true" in the sense we can be confident (scientifically) that it's a real phenomenon.

Science is not unbiased. You just can't look at the research for facts on this stuff. Pro-female research is funded, anything that makes women look bad gets its funding cut and the results quashed. If you would get fired for publishing something, would you go ahead and do it? No University wants to be on the receiving end of the endless shrill shouting of "you sexist patriarchs" and the next #metoo for their publications.

Science is great, but it is at the mercy of society. And when it comes to "gender research", it's only going one way.

Like any other set of beliefs it may or may not be true.

It's certainly the best explanation I've seen for female behaviour, and the behaviour of society at large.

It doesn't need proving that society supports women much more than it does men, and it cares more about women than men. A 1% pay disparity in men's favour gets discussed endlessly. Fucking endlessly. Even after the disparity has ended, it STILL gets talked about as if it were true. Meanwhile the 4x higher male suicide rate is never mentioned.

Where's the research into "Why does the world care so much about female income while ignoring male death" ?

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Science is not unbiased. You just can't look at the research for facts on this stuff. Pro-female research is funded, anything that makes women look bad gets its funding cut and the results quashed.

First part of this is true. Kuhn showed this in the "Structure of Scientific Revolutions", and it was developed further by other postmodernists. I'm pretty skeptical of the second part of your statement though. Research that runs counter to feminist narratives gets published all the time. Studies concerning the wage gap myth you mentioned are a great example. I think you're conflating popular culture/politics with peer-reviewed academia.

I could go back and forth with "who has it worse" statistics all day. Men have higher suicide rates. Women have higher depression rates. Men have more work related deaths. Women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault. Etc. The cultural moment is female and there's no denying that. That doesn't mean that TRP gives insight into the "truth" of what's "really" going on. It relies on intuition and anecdote, not some sound epistemic method. It's just a useful tool to help us get by.

Research that runs counter to feminist narratives gets published all the time

Less than if it was unbiased.

But then the question is - how do I know it's biased?

Men have higher suicide rates. Women have higher depression rates. Men have more work related deaths. Women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault. Etc.

I'd argue that suicide counts higher than depression. How much more depressed would men be on average if you factored in the ones who can't talk because they killed themselves?

I don't buy the depression thing. It's too self-reported and too wishy washy to be definable, because men are vastly less likely to seek help therefore won't show up in the statistics. Women know they will get help and are not shamed for asking, so of course they're going to report more depression.

Women definitely have it all better from age 15 to 35. There's a tonne of other privileges women have that you've not even mentioned. It starts with boys doing their homework, easier to get into colleges and universities, "positive" discrimination so they get into cushy STEM jobs easier, better healthcare, less likely to get fired for the same misdemeanours, less likely to get convicted or imprisoned for the same crime, 100% rights over children in almost all circumstances, alimony, child support, and an army of family friends and orbiters willing to drop everything to help her out on a whim if anything should go wrong in life.

You think anyone gives a fuck if my car breaks down? But if I was female I'd have 50 men ready on speed dial, and they'd all come running if I asked. And they wouldn't be allowed to say "but you do nothing for me" nor "I've fixed your car, how about you make me a fucking sandwich".

I hear endless stories from female friends about the stuff men do for them. I don't hear men saying the same.

After 35 it swaps over IF THE MAN HAS WORKED HARD and not gotten trapped in a loveless marriage. Perhaps women would have it better after 35 if they built something with their lives instead of permanently taking from everyone else and then getting depressed when the world doesn't do enough for them.

The cultural moment is female and there's no denying that. That doesn't mean that TRP gives insight into the "truth" of what's "really" going on.

TRP is unusual in even acknowledging the pro-female culture we live in. Most people believe everything is pro-male and that women deserve a chance, even while noone listens to them and says they're wrong for not being female. It's why so many men are trying to change gender: they're told they're wrong for being male all their lives to the point where they believe they are really female.

It relies on intuition and anecdote, not some sound epistemic method. It's just a useful tool to help us get by.

Except that you've agreed some of it is scientifically valid, and none of it is scientifically disproved. So chances are quite a lot of the rest of it will be proved true in the fullness of time. Not that society will allow this to happen of course.

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Title	So this sub was right?
Author	Runecraft_TM
Upvotes	5
Comments	15
Date	June 5, 2018 12:27 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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