Some problems with TRP

Str8_Pillin · 2016-09-10T02:13:52+00:00

*** Women are not the most unfaithful creatures.
How come we never hear stories of guys ruining their relationship

I'm not trying to fuck guys.
Woman ARE the most unfaithful creatures in my target demographic, so I come here with likeminded men to talk about patterns and strategy.

That's like saying Baltimore is safe because there are more murders in Chicago. They both suck. But if you live in Baltimore who gives a shit about Chicago stats, it doesn't apply to you

Battle-Scars · 2016-09-10T02:16:24+00:00

Your post touches on a couple of topics. This is a male sexual strategy sub and the argument of "men do it too" is not relevant and quite frankly it sounds apologist to me. I have seen that argument before and it just doesn't hold water for what this sub is about. Men cheat all the time, ruin relationships all the time, but this is a sub to understand women's sexual strategy, so the idea that it all has to be "fair" is false and when you throw out the term "sexist because its not equal" is exactly what this sub is not about. Sexual strategy is amoral, if you personally want to attach morals to it, that is your right as a man and no one will fault you for that.

"I used to be quite beta as well"

What would be helpful is to post what your journey from this quote to where you are now was like and what the differences are regarding your interaction with women.

Personally, I think all talk of politics should be reserved for some other sub, not this one, but having just returned from Japan and observed what a true Nationalist culture looks like, it was calm, everybody knew how to act based on the social mores in place, safe, respectful, friendly, clean, etc. They would never let their beautiful rich culture be affected by 100,000 immigrants from somewhere else. They don't like me because I'm white and I'm okay with that, its their culture and their country. I'm just a guest visiting in a respectful manner.

Scrawler357 · 2016-09-10T05:10:15+00:00

We're surrounded by a world of mass media, social media, songs, movies, books and laws that proclaim women are intrinsically good and men are intrinsically bad. We're brainwashed and pressured to accept that all negative female behaviour is either exceptional or men's fault.

The extreme examples or bias on this site, and others like it, are inevitable, even necessary, to illustrate and eliminate the cognitive dissonance that compels men to keep going back for more exploitation as resources and emotional punch dummies.

Don't claim for a moment that any Blue Pill forum anywhere, which is about 99% of all forums, is anywhere near as logical or unbiased in their treatment of gender.

If ever you have a son, just pray that he has some type of access to the knowledge shared here.

BrodinsOats · 2016-09-10T05:19:59+00:00

TRP is not a moral position. It is a framework for describing and explaining sexual dynamics.

I agree that the whiney anger phase bitching about women can be tiresome, though.

ericblobb · 2016-09-10T01:41:28+00:00

I agree. Most everything is not just black and white, and it's pretty important to keep that in mind especially when discussing such variable topics as human behavior.

GayLubeOil · 2016-09-10T06:33:01+00:00

Look dude you obviously came here looking for a fight and I can respect that, given the fact that I am also an aggressive contrarian dude.

It doesn't matter who cheats more. The Red Pill is the Internets largest antifeminist community. The Red Pill's purpose is to advocate in the interests of men regardless of whether or not those interests are moral and regardless of whether those interests are beneficial to women. In fact a guide dedicated explicitly to cheating on wives and girlfriends would be well within the bounds of the Red Pill Ideology. The Red Pill serves the male interest it doesn't care about anything else.
If you had been paying attention you would know the Globalism is a vector for feminism. The two are gay butt buddies. In fact the UN invited Anita Sarkeesian to advocate an internet censorship regime in the pretext of feminism and safe spaces for fee-fees. On this issue you are categorically wrong.

ReddittFeist · 2016-09-10T03:30:18+00:00

One thing needs to be dissected here. When you say:

' A female will try her best to attract and stay with the highest value male she can find'

That's not exactly what happens. Here's the real deal:

'A woman will try to attract, and be impregnated by, a man with the highest quality genes she can attract; and a woman will try to attract, and hold in a long term relationship, the highest quality provider she can attract.'

It is theoretically possible for the lover and provider to be the same man, but that's extremely rare, and only the highest SMV women can find, attract, and close such a man.

This is what's behind the subconscious, driving urge women have to go outside the marriage to fuck alphas, especially alphas who have the physical traits that correspond to high testosterone.

And don't believe the BS spewed out by psychology profs and media pundits. The Secret Society is kept deep underground, and guys who are members can tell you that there is massive infidelity going on among women. I personally consider it to be much larger that the rates among men. But would these women ever admit what they're doing to somebody with a questionnaire?

skyderper12 · 2016-09-10T02:04:31+00:00

the stats for men is higher yes but they are almost roughly the same.

The_BitterTruth · 2016-09-10T04:48:10+00:00

That's great that you have a different perspective and want to defend it, but keep in mind your opinion is only relevant to yourself. Don't expect others to blindly think the same way as you simple because you want them to. Individual thought is one of the main principals of TRP.

aanarchist · 2016-09-10T02:13:27+00:00

no the real problem is that most of the guys on here are slaves that found a new master that promised them more pussy in exchange for their fealty. it's still a bunch of dumbass betas, they just got a leg up on their blue pill competition. it's like giving a kid a gun.

grewapair · 2016-09-10T06:08:37+00:00

Women hone a carefully crafted image of helplessness and innocence. A lot of men (e.g. white knights, other men who do favors for women they'd never do for a man) eat that shit up. It needs to be pounded into everyone's head that that image is false, manipulative, and will end up costing you a lot of time and money.

Men have the opposite image. The straightest arrow is going to be though of as a horn dog by his gf and everyone else. And if we aren't thought of that way, we pretend to be that way anyway. We, and women, already think worse of ourselves than we really are.

So I see TRP as serving the function of eviscerating the carefully honed image of women by providing example after example. People come here thinking women are sugar and spice and everything nice, and that they'll look attractive forever.

Within a few weeks of TRP, you realize they are manipulative whores, in very temporarily attractive packages, whose beauty burns out as quickly as a Roman candle, leaving you stuck with a saggy, wrinkled, whale, with whom you'd NEVER commit if you could see the finished product. It's like buying a home in the bottom of a riverbed in the dry season. You'd never do it if you saw the disaster you were about to walk into, but the shiny brochure makes it look so nice, men are buying left and right, what they should be renting or just staying away from entirely.

Women are like chipmunks. Cute little soft packages, but if you ever catch one, they'll bite and scratch you, unless you are constantly on your guard. Men aren't any better but we don't pretend to be.

ItsTheHomeWrecker · 2016-09-10T06:57:20+00:00

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bbmc7gm6fm · 2016-09-10T07:00:48+00:00

Did you read The Rational Male? I bet you didn't!

If you read that book you'd understand that women subconsciously follow certain patterns of behavior. When society gives female more power than they can handle. When society removes the responsibility from the shoulder's of women, then, that's a danger to humanity. Because the natural role of women is not holding power and having the EQUAL rights as men.

Just look around you and see how women behave.

JamesSkepp · 2016-09-10T07:01:01+00:00

Let's look at the statistics

The problem is twofold here. First "men cheat as much as women" should be replaced by "women cheat much more than you've been told". The statistic is 50%. Go out and ask 100 girls/men if they ever cheated on their partner. I guarentee you , you will get like 30-40% of "yes" from men and MAYBE 1% of "yes" from women.

By not using AWALT, I will take what she says at face value, when clearly the data says something DRASTICALLY else.

EDIT: forgot this part.

Technically, it'ts not AWALT, it's only 50% of it. But, taking into account that she will most likely NEVER tell you the truth, it's beneficial to us to assume AWALT as her default behaviour.

Secondly, statistically, when we cheat, we bang some girl and that's it, we bang. Statistically, when she cheats, it's cheating on her betabux with aplhafucks (so she's only with him to use his money) and/or followed with divorce(rape).

So, you see, while technically (pure sex-wise) we're even, what comes AFTER the sex is greatly in favour of a woman and in disfavour of a man.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-09-10T05:35:51+00:00

Seems to me this belongs in the Purple Pill areas.

Not worth discussing further.

SummertimeMelancholy · 2016-09-10T04:46:38+00:00

Let's look at the statistics. Throughout recorded human history, men has generally cheated more than women. It's only until recently, after women started to really get into the workplace, did they start catching up in infidelity rates.

There are two types of statistical reporting. Descriptive and inferential. The link you've provided reports descriptive statistics. Descriptive statistics give information that describes the data, but that's it. You can't make predictions via descriptive statistics nor can you make inferences about the population. Inferential statistics is the tool for predictions and inferences.

Now you almost managed to reach a breakthrough by noticing "after women started to really get into the workplace" part. Now if you want to make an actual statistical prediction and/or inference you have to "control" for other factors involved. Fun Fact: Almost all social science/humanities researchers fail at this stage which is why every single economist makes fun of them. Sociologists are notoriously bad.

Anyway... Now we were saying that you have to control for other factors. Cheating is a categorical variable, it can only take values of 1(cheating) or 0(not cheating). So you can only find about "likelihood of cheating". So at the minimum you have to run a maximum likelihood regression that includes a lot of control variables and their interactions in order to claim that men cheat more than women, or vice versa. Pure numbers doesn't mean anything due to omitted variable bias. Indeed "joining the workforce and gender(female) interaction" might be the cause of increased odds of cheating; however you still have to control for at the very least country fixed effects.

This sub right now - if a woman cheats, she's evil, AWALT confirmed. If a woman gets cheated on, she's stupid for hanging out with a man too good for her and deserves it. These posts contribute NOTHING intellectually, and the one-sided frequency makes this sub quite sexist from an objective point of view.

This almost never happens. In fact the anger phase gets called out quite often. I did however notice a sampling bias. Only the worst cheating women and the best cheating men get posted.

Now when it comes to an issue like nationalism vs globalism. The general consensus here is that nationalism = red pill and globalism = blue pill. That is simply not the case. There are advantages and disadvantages to both political ideas, and you can debate for hours on which one is better for human civilization. 99% of you here are not masters of politics, so stop pretending to be.

Actually you can't debate for hours on which one is better for human civilization. There is a pretty strict line that predicts what will happen and in which manner as well. Globalism doesn't work. Most of the body of work that supports Globalism either lacks emprical support, or simply is a work with dubious data/analysis. Value systems are far too different between cultural areas and even in the same area you encounter problematic differences. Nationalism with global respect to each nation's sovereignty is what created the last golden age of human civilization(1944-1971).

I will give credit where it's due: You're right that some people here have tin-foil hat conspiracy theories.

karpathian · 2016-09-10T07:01:47+00:00

My cousin cheated on his wife with her sister in law, his wife and the SILs husband are the pasters kids and now there will be 9 kids (4 his, 5 SILs) who will have a tough future because the SIL was a cali-whore and he was dissatisfied with settling down and wanted to enjoy his youth, will probably end up killing himself on the way though, if grandma doesn't get him by the ear and beat him to a pulp first.

pizzalover24 · 2016-09-10T07:26:47+00:00

TRP hates feminists. They hate what the modern female has become.

But do you know what? Men created feminists and the mess we are in.

God created us men to be leaders. Leaders that submitted to God and in turn represented God to women. The women in turn would raise kids as representatives of God so that they too would one day learn to lead with righteousness and submit with humility. Love is perfect submission such that the two become one.

When you break the chain, you create a mess that spawns itself in a vicious cycle.

A boy growing up with a physically or emotionally absent father does not know God though he may have read the bible. He does not know true leadership to take learn from and take after. He does not know God because his father did not know God. He looks to men older to him as leaders (thugs, sportsmen, friends, older brothers) and seeks out a role model to base his life on. But nobody will give him true godly leadership (quality) and love him unconditionally (quantity).

Daughters in the same way are driven to submit to leaders. Leaders who will provide for them physically and emotionally. They look to their dads and brothers as role models on how they should be led. A girl looks at her mother submitting to her father in good times and in bad and hence understands the perfect form of relationship to base her relationships of. That a man could be an incompetent leader at times but not in the long run. She seeks a partner to match her role models or be the role model she never had.

Pair together a man who cannot lead and who cannot provide, with a woman cannot submit and who cannot tolerate incompetency and you have a mess.

A man once upon a time was promised a woman as a reward for becoming a man. Learning a trade, earning a living that could sustain many, protecting others from violence, becoming knowledgeable of the affairs of his world etc. But now none of that guarantees men to give them the foundation to be leaders.

So should you go around, submitting as many women as you can. Showing them qualities of a leader that they crave for and then ditching them after you have robbed them? Are you going to say that you will continue robbing from God just as your fathers did?

God wants to be your father. A father you never had. His design for life is perfect as depicted in Adam and Eve. We live in an imperfect world that is damaged. Turn from your ways and repent. God seeks for children to be leaders of this world. To show the ungodly that they have been sold a lie.

riverraider69 · 2016-09-10T07:29:45+00:00

I upvoted you and agree with the main point, but you picked a horribly example. Not only the statistics are flawed (of course men admit to fucking more girls), the percentage doesn't matter, only the risk. You're more likely to spill hot wax from carrying candle than you are to accidentally fire a gun, but you bet your ass you're much more careful with the gun. A man cheating usually has little consequence - a women cheating can end with you either raising or paying for another man's child for 20 years.

But you are perfectly right that trp is way too free with the downvoting and faces a real danger of becoming an echo chamber. The top posters are ok, for now - they have the numbers and the quality and most importantly the "creed" to post pretty much anything they feel like. But god forbid if the little guy comes and says anything non-obvious - he'll watch the downvotes pouring. For me, the last one was diet soda being safe - which it is, btw, and no, there is no insulin response. But I had to give a reply with 3 sources (literally a google search away) just to stay at score 1.

TheGreatShiniGami · 2016-09-10T07:31:46+00:00

Some problems with ~~trp.~~ Existence itself.

Fixed that for you. You'll get it when you start seeing it for what it is.

Existence itself is the problem. Everything that exists will be a problem until it is obliterated. End of story.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-09-10T16:17:06+00:00

Cute, lurker coming to explain what we need to do.

skot5237 · 2016-09-10T07:39:29+00:00

I stopped hanging on every word even as an impressionable teen when some dude said pop music was "blue pill" That's laying it on a little thick

Nizz0matic · 2016-09-10T05:53:42+00:00

honestly i agree with most of what you said. but you'll find most subreddits are a circle jerk of opinions, even the ones like the sex or relationships reddit. but yeah, men are pretty much as bad as women and i've always cringed at the retarded opinions in this reddit that paint men like little angels while women are the only bad ones. i generally agree with everything this sub says about women but they are dellusional if they think men dont cheat just as much (if given the opportunity). in my social circles i knew way more men that cheated than girls. not that my personal experience means men cheat more, but they obviously at least cheat just as much, who the fuck are we kidding.

I've even seen some shit posts here where some douche posts a story about girls going ape shit over some chad, and im like , what does this prove? girls like hot guys, the fuck is your point? some of it is a little forced. if you cherry pick stories from the web you'll find tons of examples of women cheating and shit, but guess what, you could do that with men too. this sub should just stick to sexual strategy without all the "here is an example of a woman being a shit head, women are all 100% shit heads". leave that to MGTOW. that is what 100% of their posts are like.

Title	Some problems with TRP
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Date	September 10, 2016 1:38 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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