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[–]princepeanutbutter26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Never go full beta. I get what you're saying to some degree, but the perception needs to always be that anything beta you do is out of character and special for her. To put it more broadly, it needs to not come from a place of neediness.
Suddenly changing and going full beta is going to turn off any woman.
[–]MoneyStatusLooks1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah I get what you are saying. Maybe beta is the wrong word and maybe 'comfort' and increased validation is the right word.
The damaged and broken ones can't be loved in any way and will self sabotage.
[–]NeoreactionSafe18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
No, this isn't exactly right.
Alpha means you reward good behavior.
So if you reward when appropriate (give her love and affection) then it would be correct that she would register that as Alpha behavior.
However... if she walks into the livingroom and drops her skirt and takes a Shit on the floor then tells you to clean it up and you respond by giving flowers and apologizing for something you think you did then she should be disgusted with you.
Rewards and punishments must be used correctly.
A reward is appropriate if she is doing well.
Think of the Shit Test and the Comfort Test as the limits. As long as she is within those extremes (and behaving well) then things are good.
Even a neutral response is a bad sign. A positive response to your beta behaviour is mandatory. Kind of like her lucky stars have come in and this gorgeous alpha has decided that I am worthy of a relationship.
This is true.
But you are using the phrase "beta behavior" in a confusing way.
To reward is Alpha.
A beta seeks a reward... the beta is always needy.
Never be seeking her approval.
I think I get your point of the post but it could have been more clear.
The Test
Reward a woman who is well behaved and see how she reacts.
If that disgusts her then she's a psycho Feminist bitch and you need to get out of it.
[–]MoneyStatusLooks3 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
True. Agree with your points.
[–]a_delicious_guy1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but this should be applied to life in general. you should NEVER seek approval from anyone. once you approve of yourself, that's it, you've won. I don't need my boss to tell me i've done a good job, i know if i've done a good job or not and i know when im slacking.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The OP was a problem of how to label the "Alpha reward system".
He was saying the "reward" was a beta activity and I was responding by saying "No" the reward and the punishment are both Alpha activities.
The beta isn't rewarding anything he's giving (providing) as a submissive act hoping that he will gain sympathy for his low position.
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
sensei teach us. but basically qualify her, and never let her qualify you, sound about right?
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's right.
Reward her ("qualify her") when she behaves well. Women are like children and like to feel like they are behaving in ways that make them accepted by a person above them.
If she attempts to manipulate you and you don't catch it, then she interprets that as a beta mindset and loses a little respect for you.
Deal with actual children and you understand this.
Children try to manipulate those much larger than them.
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
i just wanna lay down and have her feed me some grapes and it not have her go neurotic because i wasn't paying attention to her shit test while i was looking for clouds shaped like bunnies.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
There are times you must simply say:
"I'm in my man cave... I'll give you attention later."
...it will be respected.
This is wiser than letting her just hang around and be a pest.
A good example...
Let's say you are in the garage working on your motorcycle. She comes in and tries to get your attention when you have to focus on the task at hand. She will try to get you to switch focus to her.
If you want to (for instance) have sex with her then go ahead and grab her and do it.
But if you don't then send her away.
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
i appreciate her effort and it's endearing at times but other times it's like i'm busy lady, come back when i'm tired and sitting in a corner, bring food and a condom and a big ol smile.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She gets bored easily because there is nothing really in there.
If she sees you doing anything she wants to tag along.
Like a puppy.
Next time as a joke say:
"Sit"
Then:
"Okay, now stay"
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
that's actually a really good idea, not even as a joke. sit, stay, good girl.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Say it with a smile and she will think it's kind of fun.
[–]aanarchist0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
hell i think it's kinda fun. that's a good point though, teach her that obedience is fun.
[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Game is making what you want to happen seem fun.
[–]Retspihi 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Negative OP. The minute you do this, her pussy becomes dryer than the Sahara.
Don't do this.
[–]Hakametal3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't agree with this. I think there's an easier way. Being Alpha doesn't mean being a cold dick. Look at it more like a game of emotional poker.
The key is for her to reveal her hand (opening up emotionally) first, and then you reciprocate by revealing yours (reward with love and affection).
I see far too many guys on here treating women like shit, and to be honest it's disgusting. Does that stuff work? Yeah it does, but if you keep doing it she'll withdraw her emotions (femininity) and she'll dump you because you're hurting her.
Don't EVER be beta in the slightest. Be Alpha. Be a man that rewards a woman with love and affection relative to HER actions.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Be sure to pull that shit back stat after she's passed the test. Seriously, plunge her emotions headlong into a temporary withdrawal of affection to keep her obedient. Otherwise she will perceive herself as your equal and she'll be dramatically less servile and pliant in the long run.
[–]MoneyStatusLooks 2 points2 points2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Agree.
If you up affection and attention, then withdraw it, it completely headfucks them. Normally it kicks off desire on their part, assuming there is good enough attraction.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Throw in some gaslighting, rinse, repeat. Then you got her under heel. You could litterally get her to invite her hot best friend to suck your dick while she's licking your balls with tears streaming down her face. It's a beautiful thing breaking them to the point of true obedience. Another invaluable tip is to never under any circumstances go to their extracurricular activities to show support. Don't go to recitals, sports games, etc. That is complete pedestalization and bolsters their confidence to a point where they'll feel they can stand up to you. That will make you both miserable. They're weird creatures in that they need to be treated really badly at least 60% of the time in order for them to feel good, safe and deferential. It ain't cruelty. It's the most humane way to treat them and it is what they need. If she ain't cryin' you ain't tryin'.
[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
this behaviour won't turn her off
It will. You're hallucinating another unicorn fantasy.
[–]aanarchist1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i do something like this too. it's a good test. it's a little extreme fine but if she's got any damage it'll sniff her out really fast. btw shhhhhhh this is a public forum and you're giving away war secrets. noob.
[–]a_delicious_guy3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
to be honest I completely agree. I'm in a relationship and we are both the alphas. I support her and she supports me but we rarely need support. no drama, no fuss. we are both upfront and straight about what we want. if something is an obstacle, we move it out of our way. we still are very affectionate and loving but that is because we see eye to eye and are on the same page.
i seriously don't believe in being an alpha just so you can boss around a beta chick. all you're doing is wasting your time with someone who can offer you nothing.
screw a power trip, just find an ally. a strong ally so you don't have to waste your time with these beta weaklings
[–]mikeymop0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I envy you. But you also inspire me
[–]a_delicious_guy1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
be upfront with what you expect from them in the beginning. don't play games and don't fuck around. just be direct and blunt while being understanding of both parties needs. you'll smash it mikeymop
[–]Bewbman3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You're on the wrong sub the meta here is that LTRs never work and all women are using you for what you can provide. Mostly because most of the guys here are incapable of acting like normal human beings.
[–]firmness 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I bet you think this was a cute comment cupcake. The men here are mostly decent humans trying to undo the indoctrination they have received - perhaps mostly by their single mothers. Snide comments like yours should meet the fate they deserve.
[–]MID-SHIP10 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, he's right. Most of the people here probably don't even lift or follow any of the advice given here. Just a bunch of sociopathic narcissists who think they deserve HB10 women despite having no value to the world whatsoever.
Some of the best advice I've heard here: "TRP is a toolbox. You don't use all the tools at once, only the ones you need for the job."
[–]FrameWalker2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Honestly most of us are here because we suck with women or used to. Most of us have a few screws loose and are not great at holding frame every moment. Many may never be ready to lead an ltr. Women have red flags but we also have red flags- like a history of beta behavior.
[–]firmness 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think we are necessarily saying different things.
Stay strong bro.
[–]Literallyoprah1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All relationships, including those with other men, are fundementally beta in nature. As soon as you become more of a liability than an asset, you will be dropped.
[–]drew9670 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What if you do this Beta Test and she's one of those "gold diggers" that will play into the test but her long term goal is to basically get as much money out of you as possible?
[–]MoneyStatusLooks2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Don't marry. Don't spend a significant portion of your money on her. Always maintain control.
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