The Gender Equality Paradox

SoftHarem · 2013-07-13T21:11:30+00:00

OP, please submit a paragraph or so of your thoughts to spur discussion.

[deleted] · 2013-07-14T02:05:05+00:00

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themoor · 2013-07-13T22:17:39+00:00

Just a drive by here...not to comment on the documentary. I am familiar with what it is dealing with.

I know a lot of social scientists. Have studied it in-depth myself.

Two things, at minimum, that I have found curious:

1) Most, if not all, social scientists believe in evolution, in a general way (they mock, rightly, Creationism and do accept Darwin). And, while they can understand the process of natural selection in plants, animals and up to primates, they seem to have the default assumption that the influence of genes and hormones ended when the first homo sapiens emerged and that we are all now born blank slates--100% social constructionism. Now, it is true that culture writes a lot on our minds and interactions, but to assume that biology and evolution simply ended when the modern human genotype emerged is absurd. Worse, I know not one social scientist that can cite relevant literature that conclusively demonstates 100% blank slate theory because there isn't any. That's a long debunked conjecture. Worst of all, they not only do not know there isn't any of this debunking literature, as they are usually ignorant of the research that does demonstrate innate biological drives.

2) Even more absurd is that many, if not most, have never even considered the implied assumption in 100% social constructionism: evolution stopped the day the first being popped out with the modern genotype. It is so contrary to the principles of evolution that one has to be professionally irresponsible to hold such a view. Not only is the zero evidence, but the evidence that does exist suggest a complex combination of biological and social influences. Even the social scientists that go that far are usually unwilling to state what those biological regularities might be, beyond things like hunger, flight or fight instincts, working within group/social structures, etc. They, of course, also admit a drive for sex, but obstinately refuse to entertain the idea that there are wired attraction sexual triggers common across cultures and also different between the sexes.

This trope has influenced western culture and science a great deal, often in misleading ways (but not always).

Thus the need for the Red Pill.

Social scientists mirror some biologists and psychologists (opposite but same dogmatic assumptions regardless of the research). For the former, it's ALL SOCIAL; for the latter, it's ALL BIOLOGICAL. Both are wrong, of course. Perhaps, though, to get a grip on understanding gender dynamics in relation to pair-relations, sex, pair-bonding, and what not, it is probably likely better to first understand the biological drives that underpin all that culture can and/or will shape. That exists BEFORE one is influenced by culture. If one doesn't start there and/or refuses to take it into account, the answers to their questions will inevitably misfire.

But if one's goal is to massage date in a way that conforms with their political goals, then they can do anything they want with abstract ideals and examples that fit, regardless of whether this fits the principles of scientific inquiry or not.

This is the HUGE weakness in social science approach to gender, sex, sexuality, and sexual politics... including all other social implications that stem from this.

I once asked a feminist/gender studies acquaintance if she believe that the effect of biology and evolution simply ended with the human mind. She looked at me like she had never entertained the idea before (and this is a person I immensely respect). Being honest and astute, she did admit this issue had to be brought into the discussion. But most telling what that she looked like this was the first time it was asked and had almost nothing to say in terms of "expertise" on the matter.

This person had a Ph.D. in social science and taught gender studies.

And a good friend still.

But STILL!!! Damn...

Shit: thought it would be a drive by, and I ended up vomiting words

Title	The Gender Equality Paradox
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Date	July 13, 2013 8:55 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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