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[–]licklicklickmyballz 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Red Pill is supposed to be the truth. Most people can recognise the truth when it is presented gently, or as comedy, and does not too deeply disturb their blue pill sensibilities.
This is why you often see comedy and comedians posted here for their "RP Truth" and the occasional post about "RP Truth in typical BP media".
[–]SecularNotLiberal 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
My boyfriend showed me the Bill Burr bit about motherhood and while I found it hilarious, it was the truth, especially this bit:
"Dude, women are just constantly patting themselves on the back about how difficult their lives are, and no one corrects them because they want to [beep] them. Oh, no, that’s what it is. So there’s just this tornado of like misinformation..."
Only nobody can actually say that outside of a comedy situation (or here) without getting yelled at/shunned/downvoted to hell.
[–]destraht 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think that it goes farther then just being able to [beep] women or not to. I've found that telling a woman something serious and critical that she was not capable of seeing in herself is the best way to gain her utter contempt. Now I'll correct the statement to say that it is very probably not an absolute feminine position because in Ukraine and far Eastern Europe they mostly don't have a sense of entitlement of relevance and they are hungry for my position on matters and they seek it out. So I end up telling Eastern women much more involved opinions and they are receptive to it because they were looking for it to begin with. In the West there is a very strong sense of entitlement for both men and women that seems to frame the entire thought process and its basically an assumption that one's thoughts are relevant simply for existing regardless of the effort or content. I suppose that its similar to the concepts of you are born in sin versus born in purity or born in ignorance versus born in enlightenment. Combined with Bill Burr's sentiment about how women are constantly pandered to it creates a situation where women are not routinely challenged and so they learn to act like the spoiled emperor until their fertile beauty fades and suddenly the world becomes a lot more raw to them and they then lash out in anger. How could they know any better?
[–]SecularNotLiberal 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I absolutely agree. I'm of the opinion that many men and women have the capacity to have self-insight and honesty with their flaws, but due to differences in environment and upbringing, many (especially women) don't have these abilities. This is evidenced by the difference in Eastern European women versus Western women, as you mentioned. Bill Burr's commentary just touches on this but it's at the very tip of the iceberg.
At the very heart of it, it's an inability to take criticism, a complete lack of self insight, entitlement, and taking yet not giving, not just in relationships, but in life in general.
[–]destraht 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Western women are definitely not my target but in all likelihood the next time that I get lucky with one of them it will be because I was the cool guy who had solid frame and didn't challenge them intellectually in any way. So just pure demeanor based relationship like I'm a super smart monkey. Boring! Then really at some point very soon into knowing her I'll say an actual opinion and it will be so completely opposed to her viewpoint that it creates a emotional fracture that cannot be repaired. The sex can be continued by simply being a confident guy that doesn't go against the grain and its really difficult for me to respect a person like this so its a time bomb. Then next, next, etc.
[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Add to that the idea that the One is supposedly going to be 100% unflinchingly loyal TO HIM, and you got it.
Meanwhile women don't understand what "loyal to HIM" is supposed to mean. They just don't get it. What is the big deal, they wonder? Since, by virtue of her very biology, she cannot be cucked and suffer the ultimate male fiasco. Another side of it involves her solipsism: "loyal to HIM? Huh? What is that, when there is me, me, and only me? Is he not here as a beautiful prop to love ME?"
[–]destraht 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Without socialism whether it is by the state or tiny tribe she risks the possibility of being totally fucked over and raising a kid by herself and just busting her ass to survive and then only having one kid instead of the three that she wanted. The lack of this type of socialism is my favorite part of Ukraine and I think this is not the reason why it is fucked up there now. Other reasons. After living there unfortunately about 85% of the world seems to me to be a giant cuck factory. Smart enterprising people do just fine there really since its so easy to connect to the larger world these days.
[–]NeoreactionSafe 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Red Pill has it's own vocabulary and this helps because language has a way of shaping the mind.
Part of the problem with the Blue Pill is that the emotional indoctrination is embedded in the language itself.
Take the term "minority".
Objectively the world has 15% people of European ancestry.
And yet if you pointed out that this 15% were "minorities" people would not know what you were talking about because in "Blue Pill Speak" a "minority" is anyone who comes from the 85% of people not in the 15%.
In the Blue Pill:
2 + 2 = 5
...and people simply accept the math because they are emotionally trained to accept it.
So the Red Pill uses it's own language that exposes the truth.
[–]ArkAngelEV 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In short, step out of the cave. See the light for the first time
[–]bowie747 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Loved this post. The part about the ultimate male romantic fantasy being that his woman will be willing to pick him up when he's not confident or had a shit day. That's truth, that's all I really want. If it's 95% give and 5% take, I can live with that.
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[–]103342 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Dude, tbh, the dating market for the average guy is just awful.
TRP's bluntness and jargon is useful because it makes you jaded. Being jaded is good for a guy that wants to thrive on the SMP.
Honestly, in my personal experience, looking for a girl that will "be there for you" is a huge waste of time. Be wary of red-flags and all, but be ready to jump out at ANY time.
TRP is a reflection of how skewed the dating game is for men.
Women have all the advantages possible. She, more than any time in history, doesn't NEED you. No matter how alpha you are, no matter how great of a girl she is.
Being jaded and blunt is useful. The whole jargon thing is useful.
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[–]103342 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women only have the advantage if they are dealing with a guy that doesn't know how to handle them.
You don't understand. There are MANY guys that know how to "handle" a woman. That doesn't level the playing field in the least.
Women have social advantage. They can replace a guy easily, even if the guy is the most alpha red pill dude ever, she will jump to the next guy if she thinks he is better, or she is bored or w/e.
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[–]103342 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is not a scarcity mindset as much as it is a realistic mindset.
You should not compare your "power of attraction" with a woman, because the game is different for men and women.
She can just put on some make up and a short skirt and she will have a lot of suitors.
She can put up a tinder profile and have a myriad of suitors
We can't rely THAT much on looks alone. We have to learn how to live alone. Maintaining a super alpha lifestyle takes a lot of effort.
Always having decent pussy on-the-go takes A LOT of effort.
Things start to get easier with time, but compared to a woman's life, we live on hard mode.
Tbh it is not even living on "hard mode" it is realising the fact that the game is different for men and women.
[–]Rasalom72 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
guy can do all the same things a girl can in the dating game
But what you've left off is the fact that a guy has to work extremly hard to do so. While a woman has to put in next to zero effort at all. Of course, this is from the point of view of a guy. The guy wants sex, which the woman has ample access to... the woman, however, wants commitment, which the guy has ample access to. Each party has to work for what the other has in abundance.
[–]christopherb1897 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm sure you're aware of modern day "or third wave" feminism. This initiative is making it more difficult for men to be active go-getters and women no longer want to be seen as passive (although they love to receive). I myself was caught up in the behavior of making great efforts to attract a girl who i hope would care about me but instead she took advantage of my kind gestures and eventually gained a sense of entitlement. Everything you're saying makes sense, men like to see results for efforts put forth but feminism is a mutherfucker and its understandable why guys feel the need to post what you call slightly mra. One way to improve yourself is to get the input of others on certain actions you make or thoughts you have and from there you can make a judgement based on your own situation. We're all in this RP family together and we should help each other. RP has helped me accept the realities for what they are and that this unicorn does not exist.
[–]JihadDerp 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All this love me "for who I am" versus "for what I do" is bullshit. You are what you do. Your actions define you. Not your words. Not your thoughts. Your actions. If you sit around and play video games all day, drink, and watch porn, that is who you are. Nice guy? Nobody gives a fuck. You are a loser who does nothing. You are nothing. If you're a doctor who sacrificed years and energy to help people and save lives, that is who you are. Asshole? Nobody gives a fuck. You are a hard-working useful man who does something good. You are a good man.
Let's get rid of the concept that there's a difference between "who you are" and "what you do." You are what you do. Your actions define you.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Guy is so lucid I could almost cry.
If you're too passive eventually life goes on, if you are too active your fantasy of her becomes grounded into reality. It's a compromise. You're a man. You choose to live in reality, and really it's hard to improve yourself while some people seem to have everything given to them, looks, money, biases. And then for what, what is the result of your labor? To win favors of the entitled people whom have no royalty. If you got struck in some sort of tragedy are the fun loving girls your bros? What about the girl you thought you could trust (no she's different)? No wonder people are angry, betrayal hurts, what hurts more is that we most of the work and she's probably having the time of her life shitting on you.
And this anger is merciless, expressing it wrongly means harm, so we suck it up by being stoic, or do we? I mean, who do you tell when someone dumps you becomes you are too weak, imperfect compared to her next guy. It's just a shame, if anything you are alone in this world.
I'm not saying being stoic is a bad thing, but sometimes it's read as being passive, not standing up for yourself. It is like indulging in a fantasy and I just don't think thats right and I just told you you are a man. You stand up for yourself, but you process the emotions and you find the best way to express it, not be a crybaby or be a target for bullies. In the end, you stay in action, you are action. Perseverance in the right direction is the only thing you got in the darkest times, because no body cares.
[–]RPmatrix -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm not saying being stoic is a bad thing, but sometimes it's read as being passive, not standing up for yourself
um, I think you need to read up on Stoicism if that's your (mis)understanding of it bro.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its a misunderstanding I don't want you to have faggot
[–]RPmatrix -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
ssssss! SO burned!
And aren't you a fuckwit then, "a misunderstanding you don't want me to have* and yet I do, as i don't understand it, or is that NOT what you meant but aren't capable of successfully conveying your wishes in writing?
Anyway, "stoicism" is the exact opposite to "Not standing up for oneself" by taking control of one's thoughts you become "stoic" which means "a person who represses feelings or endures patiently" which is a long way from being passive, although I can see how you misinterpreted it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How I misinterpreted? I'm saying you need to stand up for yourself, j can write better a d you can read better, you're pissed
[–]RPmatrix -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aaand the troll deleted his account, not just his post!
[–]Stythe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My buddy told me he read this post and I thought it was TRP in a nutshell. The poster posts here. He know TRP, by the way.
But this is highly accurate.
[–]everythingisthrown -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In all honesty, I don't like the jargon to me it seems to make it seem unprofessional.
[–]RPmatrix -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
First, don't you know how to format?
Second, why use someone else's words to speak for yourself?
I feel there is a lot of slightly irrelevant MRA material posted here these days that really isn't what TRP is really about, so I thought I'd post this to see what people think.
"You feel" Pray tell, what suddenly makes you an authority on all things RP?
All men secretly want this,
They do? Not in my book.
but there comes a day when they eventually compromise out of necessity.
You mean they buckle and fold under female influences, coercion and lies due to their misguided/mistaken beliefs?
After that day, they may spend years honing themselves, working, shaping themselves into the men they believe women want to be chosen by
Which is affectionately known in RP terms as becoming a BluePill BetaBux
I don't know why you posted this, esp considering 80% of your posts are in NoFap OP ... so I guess all this 'RP sans jargon' advice you think is 'useful' hasn't succeeded in getting you laid huh? Why am I not surprised?
Why the fuck would you want to discuss RP ideas using some dudes 'politically correct' misunderstanding of "what women want and how men can give it to them!" WTF?
Stick to TRP terminology If you want to talk about TRP, there are very solid reasons for TRP acronyms and esoteric terminology exist, which is why we use them.
Not once in any of the comments you quote is hypergamy and AWALT mentioned, which are two of the foundations of TRP philosophy
and don't try selling comments from "ask (BP) men's advice" here, as it's NOT RedPill thinking with comments like the couple I've quoted and your OP is full of -- and there were many more equally ignorant comments in your OP bro I could've quoted, but why would I want to?
I think you should read the TRP's sidebar before making such off the mark comparisons between some BPB (BluePillBeta) comments made in "askmen" and TRP's eternal wisdom!
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