Why feminists hate evolutionary biology.

ugdr6424 · 2013-09-17T01:31:10+00:00

Ultimately, feminists are afraid of what evolutionary psychology has to reveal because feminists are afraid of attractiveness standards, and of unchangeable attractiveness standards in particular. Because, you see, in the arena of sexual marketability, it is men who are the sex with more options to improve their dating market value. Women are, for the most part, stuck with their desirability, or lack thereof, the moment they are conceived.

elheretic · 2013-09-17T06:26:53+00:00

Feminists don't like evobiology/evopsych for a few reasons.

It makes it easier to quantify womens behavior dispelling the "feminine mystique".
It lets them know that no matter how much money they make or status they achieve it will not make them more attractive to men.
Due to natural distribution a woman will have to draw the conclusion that she is more than likely not on the right end of the distribution curve in regards to physical beauty which is crushing to the ego. (most women in the states believe they are a 7+ on a look scale)
It forces them to openly acknowledge AFBB which is detrimental to their mating strategy. A woman admitting she got pregnant by the local thug while the IT nerd foots the bill is bad for PR.

Granting any type of evolutionary biology or psychology quarter is ultimately a self defeating strategy which is why it is so vehemently denied and fought against.

LifterofThings · 2013-09-17T05:36:12+00:00

I both agree and disagree with CH's (I dunno what "handle" the dude goes by) assessment of the research on beauty ideals. Evolutionary psychology certainly offers some insight, but to write off the contributions of socialization and culture is... well, ignorant.

There are some features in women that men seem to find universally attractive-- these are youth, indicators of high estrogen (little body hair, narrow chins, big eyes), symmetry and clear skin.

Preferences for body weight are less universal and seem to vary based on the availability of food. We don't have to look to the imperfect records of evo psych to see evidence of this-- it plays out in a directly-observable way right now, from country to country. While anorexia's on the rise in the western world, girls are being force-fed in parts of Africa to make them more appealing to potential suitors. That being said, there's still a good case to be made for the influence of biology here (in a place where food is scarce, a plumper woman will be able to more reliably provide sustenance for a man's offspring).

I won't bother getting into the long list of beauty-enhancing embellishments and alterations to the body that don't seem to make any strictly-biological sense (ie: foot binding, skin-lightening, neck-elongation) which vary culturally... everyone here knows how to Google.

... in any case, this is my general objection to a lot of what CH posts-- he likes to deal in absolutes in favor of his agenda (ironically the same "crime" he accuses the feminists of), rather than acknowledge that things tend to be more nuanced.

Evidence suggests that standards of female beauty are neither wholly determined by evolution and biology, nor are they entirely socially constructed.

That being said, what feminism has done is offer a plan B to women who are less gifted in the beauty department-- a woman can make her own money and own property and shit now, so she's not entirely dependent on men to provide for her basic needs.

Lakey91 · 2013-09-17T10:28:13+00:00

He is wrong about women not being able to increase their smv as much as men.

Why? Because he doesn't consider anything further than her physical appearance.

Now makeup, regular physical exercise and a decent diet will maximise the body. Note the difference that makeup can make on an area that whilst less important on men, is unchangeable for us. Additionally, a good body can make a plain-faced girl desirable.

Nevertheless, what is important to women is attraction from high quality males only insomuch as an indicator of her ability to extract emotional commitment from them. A good body and good sex may make him stick around for more than five minutes, but what men really want before they commit long-term is wife and mother qualities. These are the true fundamental principles of girl game. Acting feminine; learning domestic skills such as cooking, cleaning, sewing etc and wanting to show them off to her man; willingly following his lead; positive nurturing reactions to children and infants; being playful; having few or better yet no previous sexual partners; entering a caring profession where time out isn't a career killer (e.g. primary school teacher, nurse etc.). These are things a woman can do to improve her game, and if done soon enough she can punch well above her facial appearance weight when it comes to finding a husband. Men are actually quite good at lowering their standards in a way that women aren't; this allows us to choose high quality women, even if it means sacrificing a point on the physical attractiveness scale.

The problem for feminists is twofold.

Wife and mother qualities add a point or two, they won't make a 3 into a 10. They'll still have to stop smoking and lose the weight.
They are passionately opposed to wife and mother qualities to the point where they shame women who ~~out compete them~~ have them or strive for them

euneaux · 2013-09-17T01:29:15+00:00

I understand the impulse... the instinct and drive... I really do..

But...

Screwing contracepted sluts is as much an evolutionary dead-end as spilling seed in the fake holes bolted on trannies.

So wouldn't the real measure of a red-pill beast not be the count of notches on the bedpost, but rather the number of bastards he leaves behind?

Evolutionarily, with his six well-raised kids, the squeaky clean Mormon daddy leaves a greater legacy for the future of mankind than a pickup artist who lays hundreds of fully contracepted sluts.

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Title	Why feminists hate evolutionary biology.
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