Equality = Subjugation

Aldabruzzo · 2022-01-26T15:20:37+00:00

I am sooo fucking tired of this claim that women "had no rights at all before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and before Title IX".

I am soooo fucking tired of this claim that women had no right to work at all before about 1960.

Jesus H. CHRIST, people.

Women have always worked. Women could work...if they fucking wanted to.

From time immemorial, there have always been working single women and working wives. Yes, they worked in menial occupations doing manual labor, or they worked mostly in traditional female occupations: Teacher, nurse, flight attendant, secretary/clerical.

Most women did those kinds of jobs because they weren't physically strong enough to do the kinds of work men wanted to do and had to do. But mostly it was because they did not want to do the kinds of work men did, or work as hard as men do, or put in the kinds of work hours that men do. Mostly it was because they preferred getting married and having kids (and maybe working part time) to having to work like men.

No one ever stopped women from being doctors or lawyers or going into the professions. There were a few women physicians and lawyers in the 19th and early 20th centuries. There were some women in banking and other professions, and especially academia. Most of the women who did that kind of work, did it because they really really wanted to do it, or were just more masculine in outlook and mien, or came from money and Daddy was a "progressive" and paid for snookums to go to school for it, or never married and had the time and wherewithal and gumption to do it.

(It's really easy to be liberal and progressive and "woke" when other people's money, or Daddy's money, is paying for it.)

Most women didn't work in traditionally masculine fields because getting married to Joe Lunchpail from the next town over and raising Joe's kids was far, far preferable to having to work like Joe did and probably get killed at his job like usually happened to the Joe Lunchpails of the world. Or, if you were really lucky, you could get married to Stan Silkstockings or Chadwick Thundercockington IV, and you were set for life. (Sure, Stan and Chadwick worked like hell, did what they wanted, and cheated on you to beat the band, but hey, that's what you signed up for. That's the price of being Mrs. Silkstockings or Mrs. Thundercockington.)

And, most women just plain did not want to do it and would not do it.

Another thing: No one forced women to marry Joe Lunchpail. No one forced women to marry Willy WifeBeater or Sam Shiftless or Larry Lazyass or Alan Alcoholic or Gary GamblingAddict. No one ever forced women to get married (unless Snookums let Chaddy knock her up, in which case Chaddy needs to make an honest woman of Snookums). Women married men because they wanted to and because they preferred it to working and earning a living for the rest of their lives, and maybe having to live with a male relative because they didn't want to or could not work hard enough to support themselves. Or, they didn't want to go to school to get educated and credentialed to make more money.

Or, Occam's Razor, they married their men because they actually kind of liked and loved their men. They had more realistic expectations from their lives. They picked the best guy they could, made themselves available to him, gave him everything they had, and made the best of it. It wasn't perfect, but she and Joe built something and had a little something to give their kids. She was trained up and believed she had obligations and responsibilities to Joe, just as he had to her.

Whatever became of women, it was their choice. She could refuse to marry Joe, but then she'd have to keep working and probably keep living with her parents until the last one died, and then she'd have to live with relatives. She could make that choice if she wanted to. That was on HER. Most women didn't. Most women married - and had the proper attitude toward marriage and the men they picked.

No one made women do anything. No one forced women to work. No one forced women not to work. No one forced women to get married. No one forced women to have sex. No one forced women to have children. No one forced women to take work as spinsters (heh), seamstresses, launderers, maids, nannies, teachers, secretaries, stewardesses, or nurses. No one forced women to do or be ANYTHING.

Impressive-Cricket-8 · 2022-01-26T15:39:45+00:00

Quite well written. Add some citations, and you could probably publish this in some scientific journal.

Jihocech_Honza · 2022-01-26T21:02:56+00:00

Well written. I would only add a little point about the nobility. Young aristocrats definitely did not have a careless childhood (the whole idea of childhood is as modern as the concept of marriage based on romantic love). The had not to work hard physically, but their days were organized - horse-riding, fencing and other martial arts, history, languages, poetry, conversation, manners...

Life of Kronprinz Rudolph von Habsburg is a good example.

Title	Equality = Subjugation
Author	DeeplyDisturbed1
Upvotes	48
Comments	19
Date	January 26, 2022 2:42 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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