TL;DR of the whole thing at the end

Ok so this is basically everything I do wrong when interacting with girls. This is a long post but I feel I have to tell everything. Id much rather post a really long single post instead of posting multiple little ones over a period of time. The stuff I say here is completely straight up, no bs. It would be of great help, if you guys would take the time and break all of this down with advice and tips. This is basically the holy grail of everything i do wrong. Im going to be focusing on night game but a lot of this also applies to day game as well. Well I know TRP strongly favors day game and I completely understand why. Girls dont get approached a lot during the day and during the night there is no fear of approaching them because you already established contact. Actually with day game, the girl will probably run up to you to see you during the night. In addition, girls expect to be approached and have their defenses up. However, it not possible for me to meet every single attractive girl on my school 40,000 campus. And a big part of the social life is going to the nightclub/bars. They are officially bars but loud music is played and a lot of people are dancing. Going out I noticed many problems.

TL;DR: night game is big at my university. This focuses on night game but also helps in day game

When I go out with friends, I tend to stick to them like a fly to honey. And all of my friends constantly talk about “wingman” or “oh im going to talk to this girl” and eventually they all pussy out. Also there is always that one guy/girl in the group that gets too drunk and you have to babysit them (and its been happening a lot, which is probably a big reason why Ive started going out by myself). I actually feel more comfortable going to a group of girls solo instead of with friends because when I go with friends and each of my friend takes one girl from the group, it looks like we are hitting on them on purpose. And unfortunately none of my friends have high smv. When I talk to groups solo, I act like they were just there and they are the closest ones to talk to. It all just happened. However I do have sincere fun with my friends and idgaf. When I go out by myself, I also try to have fun but I feel its more forced. Unless a really great song is playing, I feel like my dancing looks fake and I feel the girls notice this. Like I cant dance to a song that I dont like.

TL;DR: I go to nightclubs solo because i tend to stick to my friends too much

Alcohol: I like going out completely sober because I like my brain to work properly and when I see all these drunk people having fun, I feel like I sorta absorb their energy and tend to act the same (in a good way aka having fun). When I take a 2-4 shots, I feel like my brain is fighting itself to stay sober and this causes me to not talk at all. I noticed that I lose some of the TRP that I have learned over the past half year. If I drink a lot, I completely lose all approach anxiety, which is good but i lose everything I learned with TRP. I remember one night, i was pretty fucked up and somehow at one point some girl was grinding on me. Later she asks me what year am I (in school), I respond “Sophomore. What about you?”. She responds “Im a junior, you are too young for me”. My fucked up ass tells her this “age is just a number girl”. She says “nah” and leaves. If I wasnt fucked up, I would probably said this “Oh shit you’re a junior? Damn you are ancient” grin and act like im going to leave (never be afraid to leave the conversation am i right? haha). This is why I like being sober at nightclubs. What do you guys think? There are nights that Ive have drank a lot and am really social and talkative but those nights are rare.

TL;DR: I like going out sober because drunk me forgets a lot of the TRP he has learned. Althought, i am thinking just taking a couple shots for "social lubrication". Thanks u/devilishrogue

On some nights, i am completely not feeling interacting with anyone. Just to chill with some friends at the bar, drinking water. I use this to notice how other people are interacting with each other. I notice that some guys tend to increase kino really quickly, while others dont do it at all (they look scared). This one dude was touching a girls ass literally 5 min after talking and she was liking it a lot. I didnt see the approach tho. Another guy was at the bar with some HB9. He was the highest SMV there (no homo, but I would rate that guy 10/10). I could see he had a lot of TRP traits when talking to that girl. He was relaxed and while she was turned to face him, he was facing toward the bar and when talking he would just turn his head. He was literally dripping of confidence. She was really into him and was trying to win him over. Periodically he would do lots of kino (im guessing, escalating and then deescalating and doing that over and over). At one point, they are having great conversation (she is laughing a lot). They take a moment to stare into each others eyes and she looks down at his lips a lot. He doesnt act on it immediately. He just ignores it and continues the conversation. Actually, he takes a good 5 min before he attempts to kiss her. As he is going slowly for the kiss, the girl acts like she is into it but then right before she shoves her hand in between her face and the guy showing the middle finger. He never got to kiss her. I know that he feels surprised but he hides it really well. He actually tries do kiss her three more times (over a 10 min period) and each time she does the same middle finger thing. She is acting like she is going to let him kiss her but at the last moment she curves him. She is laughing really hard each time she does this. Personally, I would have acted like I was going to leave after the first time and I feel she would stop me (actually by the way she was acting, im 99 percent sure she would have stopped me). Eventually the guy never kisses her but the bar is 10 min from closing. He takes her hand and walks her out of the bar. Im presuming they fucked later that night.

TL;DR: basically some experience I have seen with other guys talking to girls

However, I noticed that I display these following trait: approach anxiety. I would say that I have a pretty high SMV. Girls in top sororities approach me to talk during the day and i constantly get looks from girls at every time of the day. However due to me having approach anxiety and a bit of fear of rejection, I tank during the nightclub. In the nightclub, there are girls that touch me or are very comfortable with me around. For example during last night, some girl HB8.5 was talking to this one guy and she places her arm around me to lean on. She is literally closer to me than to the guys that she is talking to. I dont know the guy or the girl. I tell the girl: “Hands off the goods girl” but unfortunately she took it as if I was being serious and that interaction ended. Later that night, Im with my cup of water where a girl bumps her hand into my water. She starts immediately apologizing and I act like im really pissed off (something like this, just a bit less exaggerated: https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abrE7ZDWOzR3HoI/giphy.gif). This makes her laugh a lot but i walk away and during that night she keeps looking at me. Also that night, girl is with some guys and is dancing. Im waiting to get a cup of water from the bar but she keeps grinding into me. Sure its pretty crowded, but I feel that she could dance without bumping into me. I do nothing. 2 min later I look up from my phone and she has stopped dancing and is staring into my eyes. Hold contact for maybe 3 full seconds when she turns around and says something funny to this guy she is with and leaves. Completely dont know what do make of this. Yes I know she was really interested but what should I have done differently? When she was grinding into me, should I had said something? (idk what to even say) This part is always the most confusing to me. Girl does subtle hints (such as touching me in some way) and im never sure if I should do anything. She could always say that she did it all on accident even if she didnt. In my head, I think that girls do this kind of shit just for validation. They will be like “oh if i grind on this pretty boy, will I get his attention?” etc. And because of this thinking, I tend to act like im not interested at first to the girls. Acting like their grinding does not phase me. I feel this is a bad mentality and how do I fix this? I feel Im presented with so many opportunities and I just dont do anything. I do have the mentality that every girl during the day that looks at me is attracted to me, however I dont act upon that.

TL;DR: Approach anxiety. I tend to walk away from hot girls that I dont know but show a bit of interest. Basically fear of rejection

Also during the night, I tend to walk around the bar dancing around (lots of people do this). However, i just keep doing this. I feel it really lowers my smv to other girls because they are thinking “why does this [high smv] guy keep walking around the bar. He should have lots of girls with him. Can he not talk to any girls? whats wrong with him?” This is especially true because I tower over everyone due to my 6’4 height. I am noticed everywhere. Oh btw I dont have problem with talking to girls. I have almost perfected everything I say (obviously every conversation is different but I got lots of experience). I can get a simple “whats my name” and “where am I from” to last a good 10-15 min and have it really interesting. I actually have lots of hobbies and at one point I used to have a YouTube channel which was pretty popular back in its day (i still own it, its just that I made all the videos private). So there is no limit to what I can talk about. Its just the approach and fear of rejection

TL;DR: Since I "walk away from hot girls that I dont know but show a bit of interest", I find myself walking around the bar by myself; dancing by myself

However, I noticed that I dont really say a lot of flirty things. I find this is my weakest point. Yeah sure I have gotten laid by normal talking and lots of kino but I can never say shit like “you have really pretty [eyes, face, etc]”. Like I cant bring myself to say that, even if I mean it. I honestly dont know what flirting is. What Ive learned in TRP was that if i say that kind of stuff to a girl, it will be the reverse. She will lose interest in me because I am no longer the prize. I am already won over and girls love the chase. How do I become flirty in what I say and also when do i say it? For example, girls tell me i have really pretty eyes and I respond “thanks I bought them from amazon. Three easy payments of $9.99”. I have met girls during the day and have them really interested in me. This is especially evident when I saw them later at the nightclub however I never showed a lot of interest (even if i did have a lot). If I had to explain why I did this, it would probably be that I didnt want to fuck anything up (idk how to explain it but that is mostly true). Eventually, now the girls have lost interest due to me not talking to them often and not showing any signs of affection. Basically, I fucking friendzone girls instead of girls usually friendzoning me. wtf.

TL;DR: Idk how to flirt, which is the biggest downfall for me. Basically girl shows interest but idk how to give interest back without her losing that interest

Probably the most flirty thing i have said to a girl in the past month was at a nightclub where we have already been talking for a good while. She was 19 but had a 21 wristband (im 19 too). She was bragging about it and I ask “how did you get it” and immediately i show her as if i was flashing my boobs (basically im assuming that she flashed her tits to get a 21 wristband). She gets it and starts laughing really hard and obviously says no. Then she offers me to buy me a drink. We fuck later that night. However, one thing that I do really often is stare into a girls eyes. Idk about you guys but I find it so addicting to just stare into a girls eyes and talk. I can literally get lost in their eyes and still keep the conversation going. I actually find it comforting and calms me down.

TL;DR: some experience i have had where I have done a little bit of flirting and that helped me greatly in pulling the girl. I have great eye contact when talking

Right now this is how I approach women during the nightclub. I am dancing myself, having fun and walking around the bar. As I pass people, girls are bound to pop up and I dance into them. They either dance with me or completely turn me down. This doesnt affect me at all, if they turn me down. I could be turned down by 90 percent of the girls I dance into and still wont phase me. However there are girls that are 9/10 or 10/10 where they see me dancing and are really into it. and my tiny little brain tells me this: they are just doing it for validation and the moment I start talking they are going to turn me down and leave. So I just reject their advances. Obviously if i was going to talk to them I dont stop dancing and ask for their names and majors. If i was to start talking to them, I would say something about their dancing or my dancing etc. Every single time Ive been successful with girls, they always asked for my name first. This basically, fear of rejection. I honestly think my thoughts and actions dont live up to my smv and as a result my brain tells my body that Im not good enough. I can even see guys with smv much much lower than me talking to 9/10s and 10/10s. For example, today: two 9/10 sorority girls were talking to a frat guy in a top house. Im dancing around the really crowded bar and the only way to get to the other side is to go in between the two girls and the frat guy. I do this weird dance between them to get to the other side but those girls are into it and laughing. They drop whatever conversation was happening and start dancing too. And as you already read above, I rejected their advances and kept dancing away. Why did I do this? Because I didnt want to get the frat guy angry at me and potentially starting a fight with me. Even though im 6’4, Im not that big in the muscle department (I do try to look the biggest I can be tho). I working on that department as we speak so hopefully in a year or two this wont be a problem. I still didnt want to get the frat guy angry and also what do i say when he says “yo i was talking to these girls gtfo”? What if the girls werent all that interested in me and just laughed and danced just to fit the mood? Would these hot sorority girls honestly drop talking to this frat guy for a guy they have never met just because he is dancing and having fun? I feel a strong no. I have had girls that I danced into, where they started dancing, and when I danced with them, they just walked away.

TL;DR: HB9-10 that give me attention and look like they want to have fun with me, i just reject because I think they are fucking with me and will reject me once i start giving them attention.

In all honestly, i feel like im not using my true potential when talking and interacting with girls. Also a lot of this stuff Ive said above also applies to day game and every day life so I feel fixing a lot of the stuff above will help me greatly in every aspect of my life. Please take the time to tear me a new one based on what Ive written above. Like a comment on every paragraph would be really good and help me a lot.

TL;DR:

  • idk how and when to flirt (basically the most important part)

  • every HB9.5-10 girl that doesnt immediately reject me, i think they are just fucking with me and will reject me the second i give them attention

  • I dont know how to show interest without coming off in the wrong way