I have pretty much totally figured out immature chicks. They are much more susceptible to basic alpha shit.

But the slightly more mature girls I have been having some issues with. Serious issues. I can't wrap my head around some of the bigger subtleties. Does anyone have advice?

I noticed one thing so far in my learning - they actually can sometimes get put off by approaches which work on 18-23. That is, if they sense that you are playing them actively, they are much more likely to shut down because, obviously, of their higher level of experience.

So the question is - what do you have to do at that point. Obviously the same game actually works for them, but they have a sort of resistance which is harder. Like the whole emotional game, or proving there is more to it, is more necessary for them. I tend to be a little bit ethical, so I feel guilty having to go along with that and pretend to be super emotional when I'm not.

Besides, if you do that it can be a turn off anyway. So the question is, what is the "trick?" How can you stay alpha and keep things basically sexual without activating their "player-detector"?

ONE ANOTHER THING I NOTICED: Girls at the ~24-27 age group tend to also have a much better detector for how "alpha" a guy is. That is to say, they seem to have a higher level ability to be able to detect how many girls a guy has been with. They can pick up on those subtle keys in maturity that really speak about a guy.

Honestly, I can't really "fake" those. That's not to say I'm faking alphaness with younger girls, just that, these things older women pick up on, I am not as good at. Generally what they seem able to detect is whether you have been in a "serious" relationship before. If you seem "frivolous" you are much more likely to shut them down. Their guards are SET to be able to pick up on this, it seems like.

It seems like girls at this age level are looking for "dark horses," that is guys who are strong, mature, and supportive. They want the full package more than girls who are a bit younger. But there is another side to a dark horse which I believe has to do with this general awareness of women, transcending immature girls. What is this "female maturity" we are speaking of? They want to feel like you are on their team or something - like the two of you are secretly doing something together. This kind of thing just nails these older women it seems like.

They have to feel like they are YOURS. But how to foster this? By fostering the sense that the two of you have some sort of secret.

Women all have 20 different file slots at any given time for all the guys and things going on in your life. You only have to worry about your own. You have to make sure that your slot is the one. She will demote or promote you based on different things.

I am so curious about that idea of having a "secret" that you share with the girl and making her feel like you are a dark horse carrying her away. I have seen this much more in older girls and would love to get the thoughts of anyone here who has any idea.

TLDR: Have you noticed any general differences between 18-23 girls and 24-27? I have. What have you noticed?