"I hate your attitude."

bertmaklinFBI · 2014-02-11T19:03:16+00:00

Of course she doesn't like it. You were an orbiter and she knows the "true" you. Why waste your time?

AfterC · 2014-02-11T19:01:55+00:00

Have you guys fucked yet?

You can't run dread game on a broad who isn't invested in you.

fuckyeralla · 2014-02-11T19:05:40+00:00

You don't simply go from beta to alpha in somebody's head. She sees you as the beta guy who is acting up. How can you change her image of you in her head? You can't. At least not in a timespan of a few weeks or months. The most efficient way to minimize the timespan is to cut off contact and disappear and then reappear with a changed attitude.

In general: People hate it when others change, especially when they improve. They will try to bring you down. Often unconscious. Even your best friends.

heroicnapkin · 2014-02-11T19:53:28+00:00

She has turned you down. Why are you still talking to her?

Stayinghereforreal · 2014-02-11T19:56:59+00:00

Any attempt I've made to switch to asshole mode has resulted in her bitching because "you're an asshole! I don't like your tone!"

Give her a blank stare and bounce. Someone calls you an asshole, you leave and thereafter ignore them.

Every post here is dead on: she wants her beta back, because any attempt by you to leave orbiter status makes her worried she is losing value.

[deleted] · 2014-02-11T19:46:25+00:00

You already lost this battle. If you truly want to run dread game be an even bigger asshole let her mouth off and stand your ground. Can you do that? Or are you gonna fold? Always be prepared to take the L.

angryadult · 2014-02-12T00:32:18+00:00

Dude, in the words of 4chan, "lurk moar"

You can't dread game somebody you aren't sleeping with.

She sees you as a beta that's trying to be hard. It's not going to work. If you separate entirely from her, she's going to worry that her SMV is falling, but is going to express it by fucking somebody else that's hotter than you. You are currently a validation provider, and nothing more. You're probably the guy she says "eww, no" when somebody asks if you're together.

If she calls you an asshole (in a different scenario), you disengage completely or agree and amplify, but don't keep it at the same level.

The point of TRP isn't being such an asshole that the pussy falls on your dick in fear. It's about being a good enough man that you don't care whether or not she wants to fuck you, because she's not your only option or desire. When you're at that point, you're not an asshole, you're just aloof. And if you're blowing her off constantly to go bang chicks hotter than her, she then knows the entry price for your time. As long as you've got one-itis, none of the rest is going to work.

I suggest separating entirely from her for a few months if you can. You need to go fuck a few other girls and get your confidence and demeanor fixed before coming back to this one.

elderstorm · 2014-02-11T19:06:36+00:00

Alright guys, I've swallowed the pill yet still new to the truth. Going from nice guy to asshole isn't that much of a problem for me since apathy isn't a problem.

You're not trying to be an ARSEHOLE. You might come off as one but that's not the goal. I think you've just skimmed through & haven't really read much. You're working towards being a man who knows he has needs & knows what he wants then goes to get it. If things don't work out with a lady, you're not affected by such endeavours because you don't base your life around getting women or make it the end goal of your life. You think in your best interests & stay true to yourself when challenged. You don't change colours because you feel threatened or feel as if you might make someone feel uncomfortable. That's who you are.

The first mistake most newbies (even I did & still do mistake at times) make is switching from nice guy straight to the arsehole. That's NOT what TRP is trying to teach you. It's trying to make you into your own man who doesn't need external validation from others or mind what others think of him. You have to find the middle ground between nice guy & arsehole. You think you've swallowed but seems to me as it's still in your mouth.

coquio · 2014-02-11T22:08:10+00:00

On to the next, man. Maybe once she sees how you are with other girls, her opinion of you will change in a positive manner. In the mean time, you're not helping your case by being an asshole to someone who considers and counts on you being nice. So, move on man.

[deleted] · 2014-02-12T18:15:23+00:00

"you're an asshole! I don't like your tone!"

This is a shit test where the only possible pass is cutting contact on the spot.

A woman telling a man how to behave. Fucking. Unnatural. If the societal structure we have today weren't in place a woman who went around mouthing off to men like that would have any good looks beaten out of her real fucking quick. Because there's one rule in the natural world: might makes right.

I'm not saying I'm not glad we've progressed past that point morally but you've got to understand that this is the operating system women are still running to this day. A man without the instinct to put her in her place the second she acts up is no man her DNA wants anything to do with.

Kwizkey · 2014-02-11T22:36:55+00:00

I feel as if you are wanting to become all "alpha" so you can get in this one girl's pants? If so,that is the wrong thing to do. This isn't an act, and we are not trying to be assholes because honestly? that will just make you look like a dickhead, and neither are we using a temporary façade to attract a girl. TRP is on a macro scale, so do not think it is a technique or method in order to get one thing you want but a gradual intrinsic development that will run your every encounter.

The girl in question has you figured out, she knows how the relationship is weighted and that is why she is calling you out. You have merely adopted "alpha mode" because you are not confident in your interactions with her when acting it. When I talk to girls, they do not call me out on it because that's who I am, they know I am not acting and they have no Beta Kwizkey to turn me back into because I never was that. (WHICH IS WHY I ONLY TALK TO NEW GIRLS) However the girl in question knows exactly what you are.

Meet new girls who haven't built an opinion of you and build your frame/game/style with fresh pieces of slate because it won't mess with your mind. Try experimenting with give and take - What happens when you ignore her, what happens when you are more pushy etc. Focus on your interactions with women as a whole. You should notice that as a group they are much more linear and predictable than you'd think.

So, drop the alpha shit, let your actions speak for themselves and learn from them. Develop opaqueness, ie: build your frame to a point where it is habit and natural, so that there is not an underlying weak kid underneath the exterior, but a strong one all the way through. Too many dudes have this problem, everything is an act and it is so damn obvious. Once you feel that you can confidently and consistently grab a girl's attention and maintain it, only then consider approaching this girl again and see what happens, but I wouldn't even bother.

Anyway, might have been a little personally assumptuous, but there are too many new guys saying they have swallowed the pill when they have done little else but feel there is hope to get a single girl by being a typical asshole. That is not what TRP is about. Good luck.

masterrod · 2014-02-11T22:47:48+00:00

I think you're thinking too logically.

First of all who cares what she likes? It matters only what she feels. What does she feel? You know this by what she does not always what she says. If you can't ascertain that your wasting your time.
If you do something asshole like, as you say, and you're not advancing the interaction you might as well not bother. If you challenge her image of you, she will always reject it initially. That's a good thing. She supposed to, she may even think it's betrayal of sorts.

The point of alpha is that you have high value, and she respects that value. If you don't have that you can't advance.

Hypergamy and beta could be highly irrelevant, the way you're talking she just doesn't "feel" it's but she still giving you the time or day, so that's one positive.

deepthrill · 2014-02-11T23:30:07+00:00

Just an aside to clarify:

Going from nice guy to asshole isn't that much of a problem for me since apathy isn't a problem.

Being pragmatic and rational doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. Asshole behavior may be an effective means to achieve your goal, but you can also achieve your goals with other methods.

For example, being aloof isn't the same as being an asshole. Demonstrating higher value doesn't have to mean being an asshole.

Now the only way for many men to not pedastalizing women is to be a dick to them, but there are other ways of not giving a shit.

At the end of the day we may just be arguing semantics, but it's a distinction which sometimes gets lost.

keemar · 2014-02-12T00:47:39+00:00

as Patrice Oneal would put it, sometimes you just need to take an L (loss). this is one of those time, move on..

[deleted] · 2014-02-12T00:48:19+00:00

You're fault is giving a fuck what this chick thinks...

[deleted] · 2014-02-12T00:52:51+00:00

This is not a fight you should be in. Next her. Walk away and spin plates.

You are investing too much time and energy on this. Its not worth it if it isn't easy.

j_arbuckle2012 · 2014-02-13T02:04:10+00:00

Stop being friends with her.

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[deleted] · 2014-02-14T09:12:38+00:00

Show her that she's being irrational, because you only said one thing to her. If she continues, cut her out. There's no reason for you to put up with her. This is also dread-game.

Much of my dread-game, I turn vicious. Power makes women bitches, I like to keep them as whimpering dogs.

RedBigMan · 2014-02-12T04:15:07+00:00

Either its a shit test or I'm TOO much of an ass (if that's possible).

When in doubt assume its a shit test. It really is hard for a newbie to take being an asshole too far.

When you start to change by improving yourself and not taking shit you will see people try to sabotage your progress. It could be the fatty friend that brings you donuts and coffee every morning after your workout or your friend who is female telling you to stop being a dick because nice guys get the girls or whatever.

tl;dr people hate it when others improve. Reminds them that they suck ass for not trying.

Title	"I hate your attitude."
Author	hozeomaru
Upvotes	3
Comments	32
Date	February 11, 2014 6:32 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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