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[–]1DonaldBaelish8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There was no need for a full , logical , adult conversation. You could have played it with "I want to delay the weddig. I need some time to think" and then let her go all emotional on you. Don't be phased. Keep reading.
Women are emotional creatures and if you are going to in fact have the wedding now or in a year you need to start heading off to the MRP sub because there is slight difference between the vast amount of theory only applicable for plates and the theory for LTRs and marriages. Something vital , you need to know your girl.
One example for testing how your marriage will look like is to hand your wife a prenup. You understand what a red flag it would be if she suddenly starts accusing you of not loving her and what not , tearing the agreement up. If you still want to marry her just answer her batshitcraziness with "In case it does not work out". You can smell the dread from kilometers. I'm not from the states and prenups do have power where I'm at.
It is in the female nature to manipulate. She might just be manipulating you into thinking that she is a great wife and lover. Don't be surprised if she starts banging you every day , which she should but how would you find TRP? It may be so subtle , just like she "offered" to make you dinner like she is not supposed to cook anyways. But it is not possible to guess how long this will last or will it end after you eventually marry.
You need to screen her. You need to lead. You need to be the patriarch.
[–]Daxxipro18041 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the input.
[–]wheresMYsteakAt0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
just like she "offered" to make you dinner like she is not supposed to cook anyways.
Good point and one I missed. In my book she absolutely has to cook and clean to be considered for marriage. Plentiful sex is also a prereq but that is much easier for women to fake. It takes no effort. Effort is hard to fake. Cooking and cleaning require effort.
But it is not possible to guess how long this will last or will it end after you eventually marry.
I mean , anything she didn't do before but is doing immediately after he talked about delaying the wedding is stuff that will end after.
[–]TitsAndWhiskey4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't get married. Women are like a dog chasing a car. They have no idea what to do with it once they catch it.
Marry this girl and you will pay for it.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she found this devastating / cant keep her hands off me
Her uncertainty and emotional torment directly translates into your physical satisfaction.
Well done, you're the prize again.
You can take this as an indication of how she'll be when she's got your full legally backed commitment.
The present state of affairs won't last forever - she'll soon try to force marriage, get pregnant, or leave you for another potential provider.
A part of me thinks that this is pretty normal.
Normal as in AWALT, yes.
she is being "good" again because she needs to prove herself. Which of course, this will eventually go away. Red flag perhaps?
It's not a red flag, she's fine to date.
But if you marry her - well, you know what's going to happen. Marriage doesn't "lock her in", it locks you in. And makes her complacent again.
Count yourself lucky that you've been warned like this. Don't listen to her words, look at her actions.
[–]Bambam22bam 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, don't get married anytime soon and You'll find out. If she isn't worth it, she'll show her hand eventually.
[–]WhorehouseVet2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Briffault's laws. She's all lovey dovey is because she is manipulating you to go ahead with the wedding, to demonstrate what she "could" be. But once she goes through the wedding, you can bet your nuts that she won't continue with the charade.
[–]Modbsutansalt2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But OVERNIGHT, she went from a "meh" fiance to a loving, caring, complimenting one, offering to make me dinner, tells me she loves me every 10 minutes, cant keep her hands off me.
You just experienced the power of dread. More reason not to get married, you'll never have this kind of power (of keeping her on her toes) once you get married.
Marriage worked in a bygone era where the cock carousel and divorce and prizes weren't readily available. nowadays, you're a damn fool for getting married and having kids unless you truly do have yourself a unicorn and/or a legit traditional relationship that follows something along the captain/first officer model.
[–]stonepimpletilists 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you can, you simply have to treat the vows like you treat her.
Don't listen to the words, watch what she does.
She gets to secure her sexual access, you get to secure your sexual commitment, while you lose the dread directly, you have your comfort, attention, and commitment, you can easily pull those back as required.
[–]FvckYourSafeSpace points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
normal. now think what will happen after years if you don't keep up with this bullshit.
[–]Daxxipro18040 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
As in the benefits of her attitude by keeping her and never getting married or relationships in general?
no, as in a lifetime of bullshit if you don't constantly practice dread game etc. for arguably little ROI and the chance she will take half your shit when someone else gives her more tingles than you for a whole three minutes. some guys like LTR game I guess, i think it's exhausting.
[–]Daxxipro18040 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah. It is rough at times. But that is why I put a halt on the marriage. After discovering TRP I am beginning to see things extremely differently.
[–]FvckYourSafeSpace3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
good luck man, kind of a shit situation to be in
[–]DylanNails 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Shes desperate for u to be her beta provider. Does she have a good job
[–]Daxxipro18040 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Uh, nah. I just graduated college, have an entry level job. She's been out for two years, making roughly 15k more than me.
Lol, I do not pay for anything of her leisure. Bills are 50/50, even when we go out to eat, groceries, everything.
[–]DylanNails 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
sounds like a good girl to marry then, unless u think shes gona be one of those bitches that trap u with a kid and then stop putting out
[–]Daxxipro18041 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean, she seems like a decent girl to marry. But after actually researching marriage - from every angle marriage does not seem to be worth it. Terrible risk/reward, terrible investment, etc. For what? So we can be labeled as "being married"? It all seems silly.
[–]DylanNails 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i agree, which is why ill probably never marry, it provides 0 benefits aside from taxes i think. if she wont stay with u if u dont want to get married then probably just dump her
[–]Daxxipro18040 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This will probably be the end result.
[–]BestSC860 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
"Of course, she found this devastating and took it as I was attacking her and was extremely emotional. Fuck me for wanting to have an adult, logical conversation, right?"
Bhahahahahaaa.....imagine that, you told your female fiance that you want to delay the marriage and she took it emotionally.
What exactly did you think would happen? I think your answer to this simple question and your apparent, complete shock that she started being nicer to you are red flags that YOU are no where near ready for marriage.
You don't seem to understand women at all and likely will end up in a crappy marriage which ends in a few years either with her\you cheating and moving on.
[–]Daxxipro18040 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
What exactly did you think would happen?
Well, what was going on in my head prior:
"hey Ive been thinking. I need some time to figure out my life and my future goals so I want to delay the wedding"
"oh is everything okay? Of course, do you want to talk about it? what is bothering you?
NOT:
"wait what? omg how you could every choose that over me. Here is your ring, im done, how could you ever do this to me. i trusted you, etc, etc"
Was this surprising? A little. Was I expecting more logic, yes. As her being a paralegal . . .yes, yes I was.
complete shock that she started being nicer to you are red flags that YOU are no where near ready for marriage.
Could you elaborate on this? I wasnt in shock about how she was acting afterwards. It makes perfect sense that she is. I'm only looking for different perspectives/opinions.
Quite a judgement from a post.
[–]BestSC862 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You still don't understand which is the point.
You just told a freaking girl that you wanted to postpone her wedding....
You were caught off guard that a FEMALE reacted emotionally and badly to her fiance delaying\cancelling her wedding. That is a strong level of autistic\asper misunderstanding of females.
I don't care what you decide you on this wedding that is entirely separate to my point that you thought a female would sit down and logically go thru a study session on the matter......in what universe has that ever happened.
Which gets to the ultimate point that you still don't understand which is that, of course, this women reacted emotionally because that is what women freaking do....and guess what, the marriage is going to be an unending series of dramas as a result of the peculiar way that women communicate and deal with life....you are ill prepared for it at this point.
The judgement is that because you don't know this..what is going to happen is a marriage of drama after drama until the point that either you grow tired of the bullshit or she comes one day to tell you that because you didn't listen to her\communicate she fucked her boss\mailman\any number of guys who "listened\made her feel understood\loves" for the night\weekend\etc.
Fair enough. Thanks.
[–]verify_account points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Quit applying the same standards of respect and logic you give men to women. They're not the same.
Very true.
[–]jm510 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did give clues.
Shocked at her reaction = knows nothing about women.
she went from a "meh" fiance to a...
She wasn't a 'meh girlfriend' the day before you proposed so how did she become a meh fiance'? Something to do with you letting it happen because you don't understand women?
[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is dread at work. It's not just her manipulating you into marriage. It's the constant battle that should happen for her to maintain your attention. She was at risk of losing it, and so she upped her game.
What you did was pretty hard dread. And it paid off. You need to practice light dread more regularly in the future to maintain this state of affairs.
Having read a lot of MRP and posts from Married Red Pillers here, getting married is not signing away sex and getting commitment in return. Getting married and assuming you don't have to keep working on yourself, keeping abundance mentality and be prepared to dread to maintain her attraction is what will lead to you both being complacent, and her dreaming of someone who excites her. (and maybe finding them).
Keep the dread, screen some more.
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