Hey Seddit, I have read a good deal of material, I have spent a fair amount of time in bars flirting with strange and exotic women, and I have my fair share of successes and losses. Maybe I didn't absorb the material so well, or maybe I didn't read the right stuff but I find myself with continuing difficulties in attracting quality women. I can go to a bar/club and through sheer persistence, if I really put myself through the wringer, I can come out with a girl at the end of the night. However this alone is not what I'm trying to achieve. In my workplace and social circle I almost never achieve meaningful success with women I consider intelligent and attractive. A friend's girlfriend recently invited me out with the intention of setting me up with one of her friends. Her friends were good looking and I had been told another mutual friend had tried to hard and come off looking like a creep. I played it cool and too soon they were ignoring me and avoiding conversation with me. I was later told they enjoyed being pursued. Where is the line between pursuer and creeper? I thought I was post afc but I'm clearly frustrated. Please advise.