Being "suave" is a bad thing?

WIA20XX · 2018-09-03T14:15:30+00:00

A GQ lifestyle screams to people that you have your stuff together and that you're ready to settle down. That's what girls in their late 20's and early 30's want. They already did their wild and crazy stuff, and now it's time to focus on the long term.

Chicks in their early and mid 20s are still enjoying youth. They're still messing with artists and bartenders - guys that are fun but they don't see a future with, because he doesn't and probably won't get his shit together.

They date other guys too, but pickup theory basically states that younger girls prefer more chaotic and random emotional swings. She doesn't want the safety of daddy, but the adventure of the bad boy.

You have a few options. You will have to change something.

Don't change your lifestyle, but increase the number of chicks you talk to ten fold. All of the online avenues, but a lot more of the offline avenues. There are lots of young girls that are tired of dudes who don't have their shit together, they just aren't clustered together.
Change your lifestyle, the visual trappings go, but the confidence stays. The 24 year old is very sure of himself. So you will stop wearing blazers and sportcoats. Maybe you add Tucker Max to your bookshelf.
Keep your lifestyle but Change your mindset, and attract girls of any type, through a change in your goals with the girl and your behavior towards that goal.

There are lots of older guys, with the stuff, dating young chicks, but they are dangerous. Some of them are pickup artists. The rest are naturals.

Pickup Artistry for successful guys. PUA is engineering experiences for the girl to be enthusiastic and comfortable with sex, the same way it just sort of happens with the club promoter, or her weed supplier.

What of love?

What of long term relationships?

Nice girls don't sleep with guys quickly, right?

Within our small corner of the universe, thousands of guys over the past 20+ years have discovered a lot things about women that aren't usually discussed in polite society, things that people get automatically defensive over and can't have a calm conversation over.

What PUA often does, is tap into that naughty, mischievous side of women. That's regardless of her age and regardless of yours. PUA is the sort of thing that gets a girl to cheat on her boyfriend because she wanted to find out, gets a woman to cheat on her husband while on a girls night out, that gets two girls that are curious into something they'd never admit to their more conservative friends. What happens in Vegas...

Seduction revolves around dispelling pretty little lies.

This world of illicit hookups requires a lot from the guy in terms of changing how he views the world.

It really isn't for everyone, and a lot of guys prefer to just expand their search for "normal" girls that will be impressed with their stuff instead of exposing chicks to more adventurous sides of his personality.

But let me not sell you on fast seduction. Believe me when I tell you that most guys on this sub aren't interested in pickup as I describe it. They want to read something that will give them everlasting confidence and good self esteem. Not even read, but be told something.

So to come at pickup like are used to -

Four books -

My Secret Garden - Nancy Friday - about the hidden fantasies of women.

The Manipulated Man - Esther Vilar - also written in the 70's, but what women really think but won't say out loud.

The Game - Neil Strauss - a GQ/cultured suave man who became great with women. Don't read the book for the technique, but for the story and personal transformation.

The Truth - Neil Strauss - after he became good with women, he eventually gets married, but can't seem to handle his internal/emotional self.

MexicanWerewolf · 2018-09-03T14:10:45+00:00

This is way off topic, but your post just reminded me of being 21 and discovering PUA with SoSuave.net and the Don Juan Bible. Before I even knew what The Game was.

Title	Being "suave" is a bad thing?
Author	thrownoverboardmatey
Upvotes	1
Comments	4
Date	September 3, 2018 12:28 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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