Is there a sub/forum where there are dark seduction techniques? I'm talking about mind games, lies, etc which can get inside her pants.

I'm more like a "gentleman" myself, I just want to know what techniques are out there, some of them might be "white" or in the "grey zone" but not dark after all. I want to learn from the dark side and decide myself if the techniques are worth using or not.

Any suggestions? subs?