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[–]kamori_herman 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What is ''IOI's"?
[–]thedudesmashes 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Indicators Of Interest: playing her hair, her laughing at your jokes, her touching you, showing interest in you, anything that she does to non-verbally tell you she likes you.
[–]PiperBigBell 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Dude I have no clue what you're talking about. Your number one priority on date #1 should be to escalate as much as possible and create as much sexual tension as possible. Holding back your escalation could possibly indicate abundance, but it's way more important to convey that with your aura and vibe.
Your words and how you carry yourself. She could also assume you're just scared to make a move. A first date is not for a female to analyze you. A first date is a high value man giving her the opportunity to become apart of his rotation of all stars. It's also to see if both people want to fuck. The ideal situation is where you escalate in a way that doesn't give your power away or convey desperation.
That's where push pull comes in. Rewarding her for qualifying herself or complying through touch. And really touch shouldn't be a goal but a natural extension of the conversation. When you do all of these things right you can have most girls in your bed in 45 minutes to two hours depending on how advanced you are.
Me personally I don't kiss in restaurants anymore, but I will outdoors. I escalate verbally as much as possible and then we go to my house. By the time we're at my house she's heard more than enough from me to know she wants to fuck. Now I just have to show her how physically smooth I am. As for the kiss rule. That's definitely true. However you shouldn't go for compliance you know you won't get. That and a lot of girls won't kiss you but they will fuck you.
[–]thedudesmashes 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm not entirely sure I buy the "get her wetter than a mop inside apple bees" vibe. You're saying when shes in your house? well duh that changes the scenario a bit.
I'm glad your advice works for you, and it would probably work for me too The fact of the matter is that I'm not a dog chasing a bone. I dont mind putting off some sex in order to create that tension at a later time and I'm not gonna let my sex drive control my social life.
Your style is fine tuned to someone who knows game and knows how to properly escalate. My advice is a more broad, "one size fits all" approach. I'm here to help new guys with advice, not tell the experts how to do what they're already doing.
[–]PiperBigBell 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'd say I'm advanced but I wouldn't call myself an expert quite yet. I'm speaking from a good game perspective. Facts are getting women to come out is hard enough. Getting them out twice, especially if you haven't had sex is even harder.
You keep taking them out without doing anything you could be setting a bad precedent. The best way to get a girl to want to see you again is to fuck her good day one. And the applebees bit. Your words, your vibe, should all be turning her on over time, more and more. We wouldn't be back at the house unless she was turned on.
She wants to feel like sex can happen but doesn't have to at that point. So when she's in the house, she's already emotionally primed to be fucked. Now we need her on board mentally and physically. Multiple dates is a bad idea if you're trying to get it poppin is all.
[–]advant525 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think both of you have good points, but OP is more so referring to a long term relationship and your point is more closely related to pick up or ONS. Don't mind me if I'm wrong, I'm still intermediate at this whole thing...
[–]PiperBigBell 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The same way you get a girl long term is how you get her short term. The women who fuck you quickly genuinely desire you and are more likely to stick around. The best way to retain them is to sweet talk them and show a very minor, very minor relationship side of you after the sex so she doesn't think your totally unattainable. Depends on the girl.
[–]advant525 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends on the girl
ngl this just threw everything you said out the window lol... but i understand ur point and i'll keep in mind. def a nuanced perspective that isn't rly out there.
[–]thedudesmashes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im also sensing you're a decently attractive dude based off the advice you're giving.
Buyers remorse will quickly have her changing her opinion on you. You smashed? Cool, she has the very viable option of claming up and cutting you off since its established that yall are just FWB. I'll play the long game if it means I'll have more to work with, opposed to just sexual attraction.
[–]Rhayx 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Completely agree OPs post is watered down and mainstream advice and not really useful when it comes to getting the girl
Its is and its written for that reason. this is what I use and it doesn't ever disappoint. There are 2 factors working in this piece of advice.
It's made for basic beginner guy who are new to the game and just getting their feet wet, not master slayer PUA.
The more people you broadcast information to, the less specific you have to be. If someone PMs me ,the advice i give might be skewed from what's written above and that's because I can better give specific, tailored to his situation, advice.
Can you explain how it's not useful?
[–]advant525 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
What if escalation happened, and I mean it really escalated (but not to the point of banging but just lots of touching and making out). Who should be the one setting up the second date? I followed up the weekdays after our date and been flirting over text, however, she appears to be dodging a second date or at least appears to be. What's your assessment of the situation at this point? Should I disengage for a bit?
[–]thedudesmashes 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You putting her on your schedule is a privilege not a right. use texting as a means to an end, dont hold lengthy conversation over the phone. Use it to set up physical meet ups.
After a good 1st date like that I would have said something' to the effect of "hey it was nice meeting up, thanks for coming out" then no matter what not responding UNTIL I have a free day to meet up again. Then I'd say "whatre you doing Thursday?"
By continuing conversation (even flirtatious) you're easing yourself into her trap, where shes going to test if you actually are so optionless that you'll entertain her conversation.
Yes, give it some time then invite her for another meet up.
[–]advant525 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah thanks! We've been chatting almost every day since our date and I feel like its pointless chatting since we're just flirting. Definitely needed your input regarding the whole optionless perspective.
[–]SpellCheck_Privilege 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Sasquatch2018 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here is a 1st date, I always use, go bowling..you get to look at her ass and she gets to look at your ass. That will escalate the date.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is some of the worst advice I've ever seen. It's like it was written by Buzzfeed or the Tinder weekly email spam newsletter.
You are a guy, you want sex with this girl. You have to portray this by escalating appropriately for the girl, venue, and vibe of the date. There are 2 types of dating, sex dating and relationship dating. No guy, if they are being honest with themselves, wants to focus on the 2nd one as a priority yet if you aren't escalating that's what you're telling the girl to do - hold off and trade small drabs of sex for commitment. Nope, you have to hook her with the sex and then decide if the relationship suits you.
The times I've kissed a girl mid-date (because I wanted to, she was having a good time with me, and I knew I wouldn't be rejected), they've either come home with me that night or at least wanted to see me again. The times I haven't tried, they either friend zoned me, or I knew there wasn't enough connection to have tried so I never heard from them again.
Kissing at the end makes it an awkward forced event rather than something that just happens in the moment. This isn't the 90's.
Don't make out all date once you start, that kills it, but get it out of the way then re-build tension and they'll be jumping you for the next kiss.
Instead of going into a hunter gatherer "eat fuck repeat," cool the jets and learn to not let your sex drive control your decisions. Go on dates often, some will escalate themselves and others will take longer but in the end you should have multiple women in your orbit at different stages.
In the long run, showing control will say something about you, letting her initiate the IOIs and letting her do some of the work before you go in. No I'm not blue-pilled "women are goddesses" I'm saying that you dont have to go primal for no reason.
If you're able to fuck in the first 5 minutes of the date, by all means send it. If you went the whole date with mild IOI playing, that's fine because its indicating the possibility for a 2nd meet up. You should have enough women in your orbit that a non-productive date is perfectly fine and if anything its added a new friend to you list of "going out buddies."
As blue-pilled and fem-centric as it sounds, use the socialtal standards (set by women) against them. Being playful while aggressively following the societal guidelines will create a stir, show her that you're willing to play but her own rules are stopping her from it. Tension.
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