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[–]pickup_startist 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Advice about power plays, confidence, and frame will certainly carry over. Stuff like ASD probably isn't applicable. Kino is probably easier. I don't know whether negs work as well on men, flattery might work? Probably not.
Anyway I've said before in other threads that guys can't really give good advice on how to pick up guys, because what we like and what attracts us are distinct. Similarly, someone was went to /r/twoxchromosomes and asked them what they thought about pickup and it was just a shitstorm.
We don't ask girls how to pick up girls for a reason. What they want to hear isn't what makes them attracted to us.
[–]Box-Monkey 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's a big difference between asking women what they want and PUA's. Women typically have an intrinsic understanding about the system, whereas PUA's have a somewhat in-depth understanding of the system through breaking it down.
My point is that asking women what they like/react to is like acting a natural how he does something; Neither of them understands, they just act.
[–]dontlikeclowns 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol ah well, I'll stay a wingwoman for now then.
[–]luckywatch 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
my knowledge is limited but some advice i can give you is to be really attractive all the time.
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[–]dontlikeclowns 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
May I ask... is this coming from a woman or a man?
[–]Box-Monkey 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't think the question is all that relevant. As I said here, I think it's more important whether they're a PUA of sorts, or a natural.
That being said, I agree with what im_a_walrus_B said.
[–]dontlikeclowns 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I know that asking dudes how to pick up dudes it's not the smartest thing to do, but I just wanted so input. The times I've asked women (here and/or other places, actual friend I know) I get responses either bashing the whole concept of PUA and calling me "promiscous" to say it in a nice way, things about betraying gender bla bla bla bla. Or I get the "act quirky and dumb" answer. I just wanted some male input, since I value this answers more. (I reallllyyyyy hope i don't get trashed for saying that lol)
[–]Box-Monkey -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What? I'm saying that you should ask PUA's how it works because they'll probably have better insight into the whole process and be more understanding about things than your average girl or guy.
Something I thought about recently is that girls are just as manipulative as PUA's when it comes to playing the game, they just always have done it. For instance, it's not seen as hugely manipulative and wrong when one girl asks another how long she should wait to call a guy, or how long to wait to have sex based on how he's acting, etc. How about the stereotypical conversation of "I don't really find him attractive, but he has money.. what do?"
Anyway, I just found it ironic.
As for your actual question, I wouldn't suggest acting dumb because then you'll only attract guys that are looking for dumber girls. Personally - and I know I'm not alone in this - I find smarter girls more attractive. In fact, it's very difficult to find intelligent, outspoken girls to spar with - even in a university setting like I'm in (2 Uni's and a college within a 5km stretch). So that's what not to do.
What to do would be what walrus suggested:
1) Be available (go to where your target will be. Smart guys would be in (campus) libraries and coffee shops, etc.). Don't go with a group, but just go read and see if anyone approaches. You're the bait, really.
2) Go talk to guys yourself and banter with them. Introduce sexual themes etc. Like Deangelo has suggested, you should use inherent ambiguities in language to make a more interesting banter.. i.e. double entendres whenever possible (one of my favorites is when a girl tells me she's going to have a shower (Try not to think about me when you're hot, naked and wet. Pause You might slip and hurt yourself!)
3) Use VERY obvious signals that you're interested in a guy. Guy's typically aren't that adept at reading body language.. sadly. Actually, I enjoy it because that gives me an edge on other guys who fumble around :P.
4) Be an Opportunist when it comes to the bar scene. If something happens where there's an opportunity to open someone, do it. Even if you're not that interested, it'll get you in the social mood and you'll end up meeting plenty of people and have a great night. What I mean by this is that if you see someone standing by themselves, bored, you can approach and mimic their body language as a joke, etc. Someone bumps into you, be like "Woah there! You better watch yourself! :P" though, in a playful way.
5) The Proximity thing that is mentioned by Walrus is right, but I think it mostly works for the dance floor. Dance floor is probably the easiest place for you to be more forward, and once you have some dancing down, you should take them somewhere off the floor to talk if you care to do so. Or dance and talk, but you can hardly hear shit typically, I find.
6) If you want to take it this far, study male erogenous zones and go for the more subtle ones when in public. I actually hate grinding, but it opens for one of the most effective/subtle turn-on zones for women, which is just on the front inside of their hip-bones. Guys must have something like this that isn't too overt.
7) Don't AMOG them. Let them control the frame if they try
8) Learn good texting theory. Like I'm doing right now, you're going to have to try and reverse engineer what this site says.
One thing I think you'll note, though, is that you've stumbled down the rabbit hole and there's no turning back. When you see guys fail with you, you'll now know why and cringe when you see them act so stupidly.
Anyway, that's all I've got for now. I've been thinking about this, vaguely, for some time now and will write anything else that comes to me. Hope this helps.
Edit: Made it easier to read.
[–]dontlikeclowns 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thank you!
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is there any particular area you'd want to be expanded upon? Like, daytime pickup, club pickup, etc.?
For now I'd like to stick to daytime pickup. Mostly at like the usual coffee shops, book stores, mall. I also need to work on desensitizing, since I'm always been the wingwoman, I haven't dealt with the rejection yet, and I don't wanna go cause it lol.
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lol
[–]luchalondon 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It really depends. The focus of PUA, in general, is getting the most women possible, getting the best women is a different skillset. I'm sure some people will tell you it's just 'advanced', but imo it's totally different.
As a woman, and I'm making a wild assumption/generalisation here, you probably want the best guys, not the most. Any girl can get the most guys, if she's feeling particularly competitive about it. The advice you're getting here might not be appropriate/what you're looking for.
There's a book called The Rules. I tried to read it but it made me rage too hard and I couldn't finish it. The tactics in there would work perfectly, just reading it made me feel like a fly trapped in a spiderweb. If you're looking to lock down a good man, that's the way to go.
lol I don't want to lock down a good man. I have a good man! He's a pua and we go sarging together, I just want to get the skills to be able to do it myself and not just sit around and Wait for someone to approach me.
[–]luchalondon 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh, my bad, I didn't realise you wanted to be the one initiating.
I think these guys can probably give you better advice than seddit can tbh.
Although pickup must be insanely easy for a girl...you just find a random wallflower you like the look of, grab him and say 'come with me', then leave the club and flag down a cab? Or am I missing something?
[–]dontlikeclowns 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't know lol. I'm reading all the PUA books I can get my hands on. I love the whole social manipulation subject. I'm hoping to eventually mold it into my own techniques...
[–]luchalondon 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We've created a monster!
[–]dontlikeclowns 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Not yet. I can't get rid of my AA. lol edit I won't be a monster until I've devoured at least 3 guys I've picked up.
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