I've gotten pretty good at talking to girls at bars / parties. I generally open with something outrageous and make it clear that I'm in it for my own entertainment. My biggest problem lately is when I am unable to initiate kino or k-close at the bar, and we end up going on a "date".

I am currently interested in trying to get two or more girls into some kind of dating relationship type thing. I had it once before and I enjoyed it very much. I'm not really interested in one night stands.

In the past, every girl I have hooked up with long term has resulted from having sex or almost having sex the first time we meet. Lately, I find myself going on more dates and having not initiated physical contact I find myself "flying blind" so to speak. I have a slew of dates this week, all with girls I have never really touched at all.

I already know the basics, leading, maintaining dominance and eye contact, etc. When should I initiate physical contact? The girls I have been going on these dates with seem a bit "harder to get" than the ones with whom I have started with physical contact in the past. Everything seems to be going well until about 3/4 of the way through, when I feel as though we should be progressing to something more physical.