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Tofu, big respect as always, but you also disappointed me in this post (for this first time ever). In general, I think guys you and Tyler and Mayson really stand apart from a lot of mainstream/old school pickup as far as treating people with respect, giving value, and generally not being a dick. Which is why it was a little jarring to see you write stuff like this: so she stuck to dyking out with the girls. Girls' logic doesn't always make sense lol. I know you already know this, but just to mak…
/r/seduction19/03/12 01:42 AM
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Yeah, it's a bummer. At least the buses are cheap, direct, and have wifi.
/r/seduction25/11/11 04:49 AM
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Finally, some concrete (and good) advice! Thanks.
/r/seduction25/11/11 04:48 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah, that maybe came across as jarring, but I wouldn't say it quite that way. Also, the circles we run in are really counter-cultural (her even more than me), to the extent that I'd actually be slightly surprised if she was OK with monogamy, even if I wanted it. I'm not assuming anything, but I'd be willing to bet someone $50 that the nonmonogamy thing is a total nonissue. The vibe I get from her is sort of like, I can imagine her having had unreciprocated crushes, or…
/r/seduction24/11/11 06:08 PM
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Thanks – I didn't expect so many haters in this thread :) Do you expect to actually change the nature and expectations of your relationship with her? Yes. Currently, we: see each other only incidentally, when we happen to be nearby text once a week or so call once a month or so have no labels (don't knock labels completely, they're something) Instead, I'd like to: see each other every 3-4 weeks talk a couple times a week text many times a week have the bf/gf label I mean, I could just start call…
/r/seduction24/11/11 05:49 PM
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I've been subbed to r/polyamory for ages, but thanks. I realize it's tough, having done this before. But a monogamous LDR is even tougher, to the point of being a nonstarter.
/r/seduction24/11/11 05:41 PM
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Look, if open relationships aren't your thing, that's fine – everyone has their own relationship styles. But don't go making assumptions and statements that aren't true, about something you apparently don't understand very well. An open relationship and a FWB are totally different. An open relationship (which generally means a primary poly relationship) says, "You're the most important person in my life (romantically)." It says, "I plan to stay with you for the forseeable future." It opens the d…
/r/seduction24/11/11 05:36 PM
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Why exactly?
/r/seduction24/11/11 05:12 PM
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The intimacy of a relationship + the freedom of singleness. Open relationships are extremely common, you know, it's not like I'm the first person to come up with this idea.
/r/seduction24/11/11 05:08 PM
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I escalate physically because I make bad life decisions LOL
/r/seduction24/11/11 04:58 PM
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Zuzus
/r/seduction23/08/11 06:36 PM
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I'm an always-willing wingwoman. You in Boston? And going to Work or Throwed tonight?
/r/seduction23/08/11 04:55 PM
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That's why I said you can still get a girl if you're outside her "official" age range, much of the time. But that doesn't mean it's always BS. I've seen profiles where girls actually emphasized in their profile blurbs not to bother if you're over X age. My point isn't that age is a liability. It's not, most of the time for most girls. My point is that "across the board, chicks dig older guys" is an overstatement. Most != all.
/r/seduction22/08/11 03:05 AM
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I disagree. Sure, lots of girls dig older guys, but some girls aren't into older guys, or are only into guys that are some small number of years older. I've seen plenty of OKC profiles where, say, a 25-year-old girl will say she's looking for someone 24-30. Great if you're in your late 20s, but not so great if you're over 35. That said, could a 40-year-old attract that girl despite her official/conscious preferences? Sure, if he's got game.
/r/seduction22/08/11 01:55 AM
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Didn't have as much in common with her (can't do much about that, of course), seemed a little needy, kept forgetting her name... Meanwhile, we were having great conversations, I was touching her arm/back here and there, I had a good rhythm of talking to her vs. talking to other people, and I wasn't trying as hard.
/r/seduction22/08/11 01:49 AM
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Late 20s :)
/r/seduction21/08/11 10:44 PM
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Dude, get off your high horse. Personally, I don't feel good about actively hitting on girls who I know have boyfriends. But I do feel OK with rolling with it if a girl with a bf is taking the initiative to hit on me (see recent FR). People commenting are sort of right though, that you can't be mad or surprised when your girlfriend cheats on you. On one level you can be mad, but on another level you have to realize that you have to keep your woman satisfied, and if you don't she's going to get h…
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:08 AM
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Lol, yes she's a real lesbian. I doubt this happens often, and by definition it's not normal for lesbians to hook up with guys.
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:02 AM
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wat
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:01 AM
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I don't think you really need to know why she did this – but I'd love to know how you end up actually responding, so do post an update :)
/r/seduction16/08/11 12:38 AM
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Is this your way of qualifying me? Whoah, does that mean she reads pickup? I don't think I've ever heard the word "qualify" in that particular sense before seddit.
/r/seduction06/08/11 02:42 AM
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Oh, I didn't realize it was removed. It was the top post when I wrote this, and I was pretty shocked it got such a positive response (vote-wise).
/r/seduction01/08/11 04:32 PM
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Relevant: Virginity of Wellesley College students by major
/r/seduction31/07/11 03:46 PM
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Yeah, I basically feel OK with it in situations like this – where I'm not making advances, just responding to hers – but still, I'd like to get to a place where I have better things to do. If had had a SML or a day 2 going on that night (with girls who are single), I wouldn't have responded.
/r/seduction30/07/11 03:30 PM
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Thanks bro :)
/r/seduction30/07/11 06:44 AM
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In any case, all men ... So again, in general most men (I said all up there, I'm wrong about that, mutations and deviance exists) Right, which is a completely different statement, so cut this "all men unanimously" nonsense.
/r/seduction29/07/11 12:27 AM
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Plenty of game applies to non-IRL media like text and online.
/r/seduction28/07/11 04:45 AM
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Don't allow yourself to be fazed by anything. FTFY
/r/seduction26/07/11 03:25 AM
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Uh, I'm not sure we're actually saying the same thing. What I'm saying is the term pickup (artist) has different meanings. Some associate it with old school canned material, others understand it more broadly to include newer, more natural approaches as well. You're saying pickup has different uses. Some use it to get laid more, others use it to get into an LTR. Which is also true. Though IMHO you should have a period where you bang 100 chicks for the practice before you settle down into an LTR, …
/r/seduction23/07/11 10:52 PM
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Yeah, I appreciated the upvotes and comments on that relationshipy AskSeddit post I made the other day.
/r/seduction23/07/11 08:43 PM
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Agreed, but nota bene: "PUA" means different things to different people. I don't consider myself a "pickup artist," but I do "pick up" girls, and I see both the gimmicky, routine-based style of pickup and the natural, inner-game based style of pickup as different species of the same genus; namely, pickup/seduction/attraction. So I don't see myself struggling between my AFC self and my "pickup" self. I see myself struggling between my AFC self, the tendency to portray a front via canned lines, an…
/r/seduction23/07/11 08:41 PM
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Ugh. Is it the 90s again?
/r/seduction23/07/11 02:03 AM
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You misunderstand. I'm saying the bigger problem most people have is not kinoing enough, so getting used to touching people – even if it's creepy or awkward for some period of weeks/months – is probably a good thing, because it gives you experience to know the difference. No kino > awkward kino > natural kino. Put another way, OP is giving good advice to intermediates, bad advice for beginners.
/r/seduction22/07/11 02:23 PM
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Yeah. I think you need to kino everybody all the time (even if it comes across as creepy at times) until you get the hang out it.
/r/seduction22/07/11 06:50 AM
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Taiwanese girls? Way to randomly stereotype.
/r/seduction19/07/11 04:20 PM
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girls be crazy also, holy wall of text, batman
/r/seduction19/07/11 02:19 AM
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Whoah, whoah: Firstly, girls may inadvertently fall for the stuff, First we need to get on the same page about what "stuff" we're actually talking about. If you're talking about canned lines, magic tricks, and all of that gimmicky shit, I feel ya – it does feel like "someone's tried to con them into thinking they're something they're not." If you're talking about the "natural" approach many guys into this stuff take now – essentially, "learn to like yourself and have better self esteem, so you w…
/r/seduction18/07/11 04:27 PM
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Exactly. To draw a software analogy (adapted from some blog): Game 1.0: Canned, inauthentic – deprecated Game 2.0: Natural, authentic – inner game is huge Game 2.5: Best of both worlds – your core game is natural game, but you know a bunch of tricks and can use them in a natural way Game 3.0: Lifestyle – living a life conducive to picking up Most people are still reacting to v1.0. Who cares...
/r/seduction18/07/11 04:14 PM
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Yeah, having options means sleeping with multiple women, or at least knowing you could on short notice. (If I were in a monogamous relationship, for example – not that I think I ever will be – I would still do approaches, get phone numbers, and even have platonic dates, to keep my options open and my skills sharp.) Cheating is bullshit, as far as I'm concerned. You shouldn't need to be dishonest to get laid, especially when more and more women are open to NSA sex, FWB situations, or open relatio…
/r/seduction17/07/11 11:38 PM
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I see the two as related, actually – he's an insecure douchebag, and that's why he feels the need to have options: Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone What. the. fuck. I mean, granted, getting laid is better than not getting laid, all things being equal... But should a man be so dependent on pussy that going without for awhile "rends his soul"? Jesus Christ. Especially once you've gotten laid a bunc…
/r/seduction17/07/11 11:34 PM
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Yeah, and we find him as extremely creepy as you do. Did you see anyone, anyone in that thread saying, "Sure, here, try this sequence"? Just because someone posts in r/cooking "Please give me the perfect chicken soup recipe to heal my son's leukemia" doesn't mean r/cooking is fucked, it just means the poster is nuts. TL;DR – you're basically concern trolling here.
/r/seduction17/07/11 11:28 PM
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kids in highschool are trying to learn routines. [citation needed] Who? Where? I scanned r/highseddit and didn't see anything about "routines," but I did see stuff on kino and body language.
/r/seduction17/07/11 11:24 PM
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lol at the husband destroyer bit
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:57 PM
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Dude. Your thinking is completely messed up here. I know you say you're not prejudiced, but I think there is some residual prejudice going on if you felt so bummed, and if you think there's a disjunct between being a "sexy and cool guy" and being "gay." Plenty of girls find gay guys sexy, cool, and attractive. In some cases, even to the point of uselessly following them around, irrationally hoping they'll change their orientation somehow. So a girl thinking you're gay probably says very little a…
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:52 PM
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Maybe, but either approach is better than just entertaining, which is what I often have done in the past.
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:42 PM
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So here's how the LMR went down. We go from making out to taking off clothes over some span of time, and the whole time she has this kind of intense, almost scared look on her face. Smiles at points, but it seems like this is her default sex face. I wondered if it might mean sex is an intense experience for her, rather than primarily a fun experience, if that makes sense. (She's also early/mid 20s.) Also, she was a bit inhibited, but not completely. At the beginning she was a little bit starfish…
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:31 PM
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Thanks. No, what's that?
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:09 PM
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Thanks. Yeah, the closest thing I did to push/pull was giving her space at the park at first, more would've been better probably. I didn't say lack of IOIs though, I said lack of positive IOIs, by which I meant basically "active" IOIs. Another way of putting the point of the post (and your point) is basically that passive IOIs like compliance are still IOIs. You're right though that looking for IOIs is bad game though. I'm about to go into detail on the LMR on frogma's comment, your thoughts wou…
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:09 PM
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vagoo, lol
/r/seduction17/07/11 05:02 PM
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I haven't heard that one, but it does smell a little game-y to me, so maybe your hunch is right. FTR, many people in the seduction/etc. community deprecate using canned lines like that in favor of more natural ways of generating attraction. It sounds like this guy was pretty lame, don't let that color your impression of the whole scene.
/r/seduction16/07/11 11:01 PM
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I get it, dude was persistent and trying to pick her up – I guess I'm just talking terminology here. I wouldn't call a guy a pickup artist unless he's actually studied this stuff. Maybe he has, or maybe he hasn't. It's hard to tell, unless the person uses a well-known line that someone wouldn't normally come up with themselves. "I need a female opinion, is David Bowie hot?" is a dead giveaway, for example.
/r/seduction16/07/11 10:46 PM
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So... you're saying he's a Pilot who Understands Accounting? I'm not seeing the connection here. Sure, maybe the pilot thing was bullshit, but that doesn't mean he's a PUA, it just would mean he lies. There are bullshitters and nonbullshitters among both PUAs and non-PUAs. (And among guys who study seduction but don't identify as a PUA.)
/r/seduction16/07/11 10:12 PM
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Are you sure it was a "PUA" and not just a "guy who hits on women"?
/r/seduction16/07/11 10:01 PM
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Kudos on the persistence. Hopefully this gives you more confidence to game girls closer to you (or motivates you to move out of Smurf Village, as the case may be). making her crack up with my antiques. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
/r/seduction16/07/11 09:34 PM
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Dude, I agree with most of this, but go easy on the newbie for chrissakes :) He'll get better with time, and it sounds like this was a big step for him. A lot of us have been there.
/r/seduction16/07/11 09:32 PM
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A big part of "inner game" is realizing that you have value all by yourself, regardless of how much pickup theory you have prepared (or how tall you are, how much money you make, etc.). So as tempted as I am to read Seddit/etc. prior to going out, beyond a certain point it's a bad idea, because it gets you in your head and in "I'm not enough, I need something external to succeed" mode. I wasn't there, but my guess is that you felt like you needed something from her (if you've "liked her forever"…
/r/seduction16/07/11 03:41 PM
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Yeah. I've been digging "Flawless Natural" lately, Tim talks about having this clear sexual intent (balanced by being a fun guy so it's not just creepy).
/r/seduction15/07/11 04:20 PM
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Keyboard Jockey
/r/seduction14/07/11 11:58 PM
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That doesn't even make sense.
/r/seduction14/07/11 04:10 PM
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Came with a downvote for the concept of "magic pills," then was pleasantly surprised. Upvote.
/r/seduction14/07/11 04:09 PM
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Yeah. For people with bad AA, I think working on that as a KJ first (e.g. RSD Blueprint), THEN going out, will result in faster progress than just trying to work through weeks/months of newbie AA hell. At least, that's how it seemed in my case.
/r/seduction14/07/11 04:06 PM
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I totally agree about r/relationships and r/sex – just posted a relationship-y question to AskSeddit. It hasn't gotten much love yet, just saying... :)
/r/seduction14/07/11 04:51 AM
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Why not? It's an awesome accomplishment. Also, why post four comments on the same comment!?
/r/seduction14/07/11 04:05 AM
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Point by point: Honestly. The quality of women on there will nearly always disappoint. Yes and no. I find the girls more interesting, but less hot, and often (though not always) less hot than their photos. Increasingly I'm factoring that in when messaging/replying to people. I don't support online dating, it's a crutch. If you do it exclusively (as I was in the spring), yes. But it's a great supplement to going out, especially if you're into nerdy/etc. girls who don't club. Ability to get qualit…
/r/seduction13/07/11 11:20 PM
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FTR, I'm a 2 on the Kinsey scale, which means I pick "bi" when forced to choose between three orientation options (ugh). I think it's like any other perceived "problem" like shortness or ugliness – how you let it limit you subjectively is a much bigger deal than how it limits you objectively. Own it. If some close-minded girl doesn't like it, who gives a shit?
/r/seduction13/07/11 02:33 AM
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Thanks!
/r/seduction13/07/11 12:02 AM
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Right, but she also answered a question saying, "As far as you're concerned, you'll probably have sex in __ dates" with the "1-2" option. That plus her profile comment made me assume she wasn't a prude, but maybe had some agreement with her SO to not have sex until second dates. (Yes I was probably overthinking this.)
/r/seduction12/07/11 11:55 PM
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Somewhat of a taboo subject in this /r/ What's taboo about it? There's nothing taboo about being a married man trying to keep his wife hot, or re-seduce her after a dry spell. I mean, for us young guys who are still single, getting monogamously hitched may be slightly taboo/controversial, but regardless, "married game" is totally a valid and welcome topic here.
/r/seduction12/07/11 11:30 PM
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Should you be more assertive? Probably. But I don't think being perceived as possibly gay is a problem – it probably helps you more than it hurts you, at least with many women (i.e. the ones who aren't into the sort of bros you describe). By the way, for future reference, r/askseddit is the place for questions like this.
/r/seduction12/07/11 11:27 PM
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Yeah, I couldn't think of many illustrative/key moments though... it just sort of flowed together, which was nice.
/r/seduction12/07/11 11:23 PM
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What's surprising is when a guy with game voluntarily gives up his freedom to meet new girls. Polyamory is just one way of maintaining that freedom; hooking up is another. Polyamory may be uncommon, but it follows pretty naturally when you (a) don't want to give up your freedom but (b) still want deep/long term relationships. Both of which are pretty common drives.
/r/seduction11/07/11 04:43 AM
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Do you see yourself in an open or poly relationship at some point down the road? Absolutely. Here's how I see it: Jealousy is a natural reaction, but I think transcending it is a noble and attainable goal. I'd rather put up with whatever residual amount of jealousy I can't get rid of than give up my freedom to see new girls if I want to. In practice, most guys have no game, so I don't worry that much about the competition. I think my gf (and yours) would end up dabbling a bit with other guys, an…
/r/seduction11/07/11 04:36 AM
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Thanks, just sent two texts out, and already got one both back. Niiice! Glad I didn't wait. Going to check out The Ultimate Text/Phone Guide (whatever the full name is) too.
/r/seduction11/07/11 04:27 AM
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I'm not sure I understand the question. Who gives a shit about being in the majority/minority? People who study game are already a minority of guys, and hot girls are already a minority of girls, so what exactly is the point? Re: polyamory, I don't know, it seems pretty common among even vaguely leftist, crunchy, and otherwise countercultural circles.
/r/seduction11/07/11 04:26 AM
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Because he might not like the idea of his girlfriend fucking other dudes? Some people are down with that, some aren't. Which is totally fine if that's how he feels. What I was objecting to was your presumption that monogamy and hookups are the only two relationship styles possible.
/r/seduction11/07/11 12:10 AM
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Dude, it's not black and white. There are more than two forms of relationships in the world, beyond monogomous (what I think you meant by "legitimate) LTRs vs. hookups. Check out r/polyamory, it's full of people who have committed, meaningful LTRs without the exclusivity part. I don't see why a dude would want to have a monogamous LTR when he could have an LTR (or several) with more freedom.
/r/seduction10/07/11 06:38 PM
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Love your FRs, man. Glad you haven't totally peaced out of here. Question: About a month ago I started exclusively dating somebody. Why would you want to date ANYBODY exclusively once you have game? I'm totally down with relationships, but "open to non-monogamy" is pretty high on my list of qualities the girl would have to have before I'd want to get serious with her. Maybe that's just me. Edit: I'm asking a serious question, guys. Super lame to downvote something just because you don't feel the…
/r/seduction10/07/11 06:00 PM
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Thanks, man. I'm glad you turned me onto this stuff (via your epic FRs).
/r/seduction09/07/11 03:04 AM
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Picture in your mind the able, earnest, useful person badass motherfucker you desire to be, and the thought you hold is hourly transforming you into that particular individual. FTFY
/r/seduction08/07/11 12:02 PM
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Yeah, just barely. You know he was originally "Bohner? He added an e, sort of like Sam Cook(e) and Marvin Gay(e) did, except in the middle.
/r/seduction07/07/11 04:00 AM
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sleeping with his hand in his dick Ouch!
/r/seduction06/07/11 05:47 PM
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What's wrong with day game?
/r/seduction05/07/11 06:37 AM
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TMI bro ;)
/r/seduction03/07/11 01:00 AM
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I feel as long as I don't deny it (haven't, she hasn't asked), then it's fine. I agree. No, this isn't lying by omission. Maybe it would've been decades ago when monogamous dating was assumed.
/r/seduction28/06/11 11:17 PM
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lol whut
/r/seduction26/06/11 12:19 AM
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I'd also like to point out the relation between this and having an abundance mentality. The reason that it is important to have a mentality of abundance because when you know there's always another girl in the near future and none of them are truly significant in the present, then you will never let a girl influence your values. That's a great paragraph – thanks.
/r/seduction24/06/11 03:23 AM
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I can appreciate how it's hard not to "game" women once you know how – but it shouldn't be hard to not sleep with them, and it sounds like you may be a bit needy on that front if you can't help but sleep with every girl who throws herself at you.
/r/seduction19/06/11 04:45 PM
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Great (hilarious) image. I've been torn about seducing a housemate of mine, and I think now I'm off the fence about it.
/r/seduction19/06/11 04:43 PM
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yeah but then it stands for "hobag"
/r/seduction13/06/11 03:41 AM
2

Awesome FR, keep it up! I'm 28, which means I'm starting to contemplate my 30s (and after that, 40s), and it's nice to be reminded the dating pool doesn't really get worse from here – guys of all ages can pull girls of all ages with game.
/r/seduction07/06/11 11:42 PM
1

Yeah, but I don't think I could've gotten it up to the third floor of my house.
/r/seduction02/06/11 11:14 PM
1

np :)
/r/seduction31/05/11 04:54 AM
3

Exactly. Not fucking up is hard for us beginners/intermediates. It's like chess – if you can just not commit any horrible blunders, you're instantly head and shoulders above most people, but that's easier said than done.
/r/seduction29/05/11 12:31 AM
1

No, but I don't think it's either or.
/r/seduction28/05/11 09:02 PM
2

Yeah, I suppose, though honestly I find OKC pretty ass-random. Meaning, how someone comes across on OKC has very little correlation to how they come across in person, myself included. I've thought of rewriting my profile to be less idiosyncratic and attract a larger number of girls, but it's working OK so far and I'm lazy.
/r/seduction28/05/11 08:29 PM
4

Oh, no, I don't actually have 10 profiles, I was just making a theoretical point.
/r/seduction28/05/11 07:34 PM
3

I don't think that matters that much – it's just a couple sentence that don't actually say anything true about me, they're just funny. I bet lots of girls don't think it's that funny, but it happened to this girl's kind of humor. Basically, if you write 10 funny profiles, different girls will message you "OMG best self-summary ever" depending on which one you use.
/r/seduction28/05/11 06:50 PM
2

OK, OK... I've been kind of keyboard jockeying lately, but tonight I just F-closed on a first OKC date (she just left). I'll write it up in the morn.
/r/seduction28/05/11 07:06 AM
3

Dude. Take a chill pill. Proclaiming that a woman can't be trusted for what she is saying, based simply on the fact that she is a woman, is about as chauvinist as it gets. It has nothing to do with trust, and everything to do with the fact that people can't be objective about assessing themselves. That's exactly what frogma was saying with the genders-reversed analogy. One shouldn't put much stock in a straight woman's advice on how to seduce women for the exact same reason that one shouldn't pu…
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:16 AM
3

What the hell is up with everyone saying "HIT THE GYM!!!"? We know better than to take a woman's diagnosis of a relationship at face value. She says she's not physically attracted to him, but IMHO that's probably a symptom of a broader lack of attraction, not the root problem in itself. If the guy had better game, she might find his scrawny body more "physically attractive" in a hurry. My recommendation is: read up on game in general, but kino especially (e.g. the DiCarlo PDF). Also, it sounds l…
/r/seduction24/05/11 02:26 PM
3

The only chance you have IMHO is learning to escalate kino (physical contact) better. Have you read the DiCarlo escalation ladder? Google it, read it and reread it. Remember you should spend the most time in the "incidental" phases.
/r/seduction24/05/11 02:20 PM
6

The theory is fine – yes, token resistence is to be plowed through, actual resistence is to be respected. The problem was in the examples, which seemed to be including practically everything as token resistence, short of putting clothes back on and curling up into a ball. (I'm exaggerating a bit, but that captures the basic point SpookyKG is trying to make I think.) I mean, sometimes a girl actually wants to make out but not have sex, and that's not token resistance.
/r/seduction23/05/11 04:31 AM
7

Thing is, it sounds like you've crossdressed for fun/as a joke, but for some people it's more central to their identity and self-expression. I don't know (or think it's appropriate to speculate about) the precise details of his gender identity, but it seems much more likely he's in the second camp.
/r/seduction23/05/11 04:27 AM
7

I second this. He seemed to not be trying to incite a downvote brigade, and to actually be on the fence about us (rather than a hater).
/r/seduction23/05/11 03:43 AM
4

Upboat. Glad to see several people voicing this opinion here.
/r/seduction23/05/11 01:30 AM
6

Yeah, spot on. I think that article was a little unbalanced actually. I mean, I'm glad he included the "don't actually rape people" line at the end, but fleshing out the difference between token and non-token resistance would've been better. Edit: Except I disagree with the "healthy" part, like opportuneport. I think girls with the healthiest attitudes about sex are the least likely to put up token resistance, actually. Too bad girls like that are rare.
/r/seduction23/05/11 01:30 AM
14

There's nothing hilarious about ridiculing cross-dressers or trans people. So what if the dude has a complicated, non-binary gender identity? More power to him. This is orthogonal to his being an AFC and a tattle-tale.
/r/seduction23/05/11 01:28 AM
2

Thanks! And you're so right about hygiene. A nice haircut and an eyebrow wax (if you need it, like me) is like an instant HG +1.
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:42 PM
1

There's no bubble to burst, and you're misquoting me: I didn't say women "don't" judge guys by their looks, I said they don't do it in the same way guys judge girls. Big difference. To pull numbers out of my ass, for guys looks are something like 80+ percent of attraction, whereas for women it seems closer to 40-50 percent. I never said it was zero percent – you're right, it's definitely not.
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:33 PM
1

I'm with you. That sentence by itself is harder to argue with – it was the other stuff and the implication that not only HB9s and 10s ("extremely attractive women") but even HB8s are out of a fat dude's league.
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:30 PM
4

You're right that there's some truth to what she's saying, but you're entire second paragraph contradicts her point that it's "ridiculous" for a fat guy to dare to think he could pull hot girls.
/r/seduction20/05/11 07:02 AM
4

I call bullshit. Sorry but why should a "HB" 8 bother with a guy that is a 3? Because most women don't judge guys by their looks in the same way guys judge girls. A "3" guy by looks with confidence and charisma jacked up to 10, and nice clothes and grooming, will do great. (He'll do even better when he loses the weight, sure.)
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:59 AM
6

Just maybe. And just maybe that's a horrible idea. Just maybe...
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:50 AM
2

I wouldn't put it THAT strongly, but I think we're basically saying the same thing.
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:38 AM
8

Me too (senior year of college), but it's no use regretting. Especially since the dating pool only tilts more in males' favor in your later 20s and 30s.
/r/seduction16/05/11 03:06 AM
0

You're overgeneralizing. I bet it works on 90%, which is a far cry from "all".
/r/seduction13/05/11 03:52 PM
3

Did you not read the post?
/r/seduction13/05/11 01:52 PM
3

The problem isn't with the factually valid observations – it's with shit value statements like "women shouldn't have the right to vote" or "women shouldn't have equality with men".
/r/seduction13/05/11 04:56 AM
5

More than a bit – he's ragingly misogynistic and absolutist. And yes, some are spot on, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
/r/seduction13/05/11 01:48 AM
6

Or 1 : 1.618, if you're going by the golden ratio.
/r/seduction13/05/11 01:47 AM
9

I'll admit as much as the next guy that a lot of these are gold, but I still think Roissy is a total douche. Here are the most bullshitty ones: Roissy Maxim #15: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. You cannot have both. So sayeth human nature. If he needs women to be disadvantaged somehow in order to succeed with them, then his game is super weak. 7: Corollary: Always assume she is a bïtch. It helps kick the legs out from under th…
/r/seduction13/05/11 12:28 AM
2

You're talking about something completely different. You can regard your SO as an equal – a question of respect – and still be less gaga about them than they are of you – a question of love/attachment.
/r/seduction12/05/11 05:37 AM
1

There are girls like that. Even cute ones!
/r/seduction10/05/11 04:37 AM
3

Yeah, on a multi-year timescale probably though...
/r/seduction10/05/11 04:32 AM
1

"start exclusively seeing other girls" is the kind of dickish reputation that seddit doesn't deserve to have, and the kind of one that gives PUA's and members of this subreddit a bad name. Look broseph, if somebody thinks less of seddit because of something as tame as "start exclusively seeing other girls," they're a hater or hypersensitive, and who gives a shit what they think? Save the righteous indignation for stuff that actually deserves it, like the residual misogyny and homophobia that pop…
/r/seduction09/05/11 05:01 PM
3

Dude, if she's encouraging you to see others, you're golden. The talk may never happen, and if it does, you can probably just be stubborn ("But we agreed..." "This is how we've always done it..." etc.) and she'll say OK. The girl I was posting about was obviously not completely comfortable with nonexclusivity from the beginning (I mean, she said she was, but I could tell she wasn't stoked about it), and never would've encouraged me to see other girls. So it was no great surprise when the talk ha…
/r/seduction08/05/11 04:28 PM
2

Pixie hair, 5'9", B-C cups, slim but with hips, in shape, creative and spontaneous, brilliant and rational but also emotional/intuitive enough that I don't feel like I'm fucking a robot. She also has to have a really nice face, obviously, which is much harder to put into words. I do dig hooked noses though. She also has to be bi and into (not just OK with) open relationships. I don't have strong color preferences, though I do dig red hair and Middle Eastern/North African sorts of skin tones. (Se…
/r/seduction08/05/11 04:22 PM
14

Dude, lighten up...
/r/seduction08/05/11 04:06 PM
2

Big respect for being able to admit a mistake.
/r/seduction30/04/11 10:09 PM
6

This. Don't limit yourself.
/r/seduction29/04/11 03:17 PM
1

I'm saying, I recognize Delightful_White as a quality contributor and believe him to be legit, and many others do as well, but I don't know who you are, so you questioning his credibility seems a little ridiculous.
/r/seduction26/04/11 11:24 PM
-1

You been around here long? OP has.
/r/seduction25/04/11 11:58 PM
1

Fuck her. It's easy to get an LTR after you fuck her, but it might get harder to fuck her once you get into LTR mode.
/r/seduction25/04/11 11:54 PM
0

This is a misogynistic double standard. Why shouldn't a girl sleep with a lot of guys? It'll probably make her better in bed, if anything. And anyway, if I f-close a girl on the first date, I actually don't assume she does that often, because most guys don't have game.
/r/seduction25/04/11 11:52 PM
1

Yes, they reduce the risk, but they don't eliminate it. You should still use a condom, just be aware you might get herped anyways.
/r/seduction25/04/11 11:47 PM
2

Thanks man – will be reading and rereading this. once in a blue moon you'll get a girl like that who isn't too slutty, and she'll probably be incredible in bed I can confirm this :)
/r/seduction25/04/11 04:19 AM
1

Exactly. I mean, it would be nice if society approved, because I could talk about this shit with friends more easily, but that's not a huge downside for me. I don't do this for other people's approval, I do it improve the quality and quantity of women in my life.
/r/seduction25/04/11 04:05 AM
5

Thanks man. All tips greatly appreciated.
/r/seduction25/04/11 03:22 AM
1

I hear you, I'm scientifically oriented and wish there was a firmer body of evidence supporting all this theory. I don't let it bother me too much though, because I'm after results first and knowledge second – I'd rather have a harem of hot babes than a scholarly understanding of how other guys get theirs :) It would be cool though if more sort of amateur science experiments could be done (I won't hold my breath for professional scientists to take an interest in most of this stuff). And maybe a …
/r/seduction25/04/11 02:39 AM
3

Uh, no. What guy is trying to sleep with a randomly selected subset of girls? We're all trying to get with the HB6s and up, so that's who we approach, and that's who we write about. Fewer ugly girls go to clubs, and if they do, we ignore them to the extent possible. (Not trying to be harsh about ugly girls, I'm just explaining why there aren't FRs about them.)
/r/seduction25/04/11 02:32 AM
1

OP, did you see the "Seddit Married Man Challenge" posts last year? A married guy in a similar situation was trying to re-seduce his wife, and seems to have succeeded. Might be worth a good try before resorting to a breakup, which is more complicated now that you're married.
/r/seduction15/04/11 05:01 PM
2

I don't see it!
/r/seduction15/04/11 05:01 PM
1

(=´∀｀)人(´∀｀=) wat
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:53 PM
1

Holy shit, I knew Louis CK did a movie called "Pootie Tang," and now I have to actually watch it.
/r/seduction12/04/11 11:27 PM
2

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting you did this intentionally (you seemed surprised in the FR), but yeah, I hear what you're saying. Personally, I don't think I'd sleep with a (monogamously) married woman, and I wouldn't try to open a girl I knew was engaged or in a serious LTR. But if one of the latter shows an interest (which seemed like the situation in your FR), I'd probably go with it, and too bad for the other guy.
/r/seduction12/04/11 11:25 PM
1

Tyler and I stand corrected!
/r/seduction12/04/11 03:05 PM
2

Was he? More deets, please... I really need to read that book. For the cultural impact it had, if not the actual information.
/r/seduction12/04/11 04:15 AM
2

If it's done well, sure IMHO. It's just terrible for the initial attraction phase.
/r/seduction12/04/11 03:41 AM
1

Cockblocking Japanese AMOGs. They're like vultures, I swear. One guy peacocked as Ichiro. I'm curious about this whole Japanese AMOG dynamic – is it a Asian v. Caucasian thing, or is there just a lot of AMOG-ing in Japan in general? From previous FRs I've gotten the impression your wings/co-Tokyo-sedditors were white, and that that's attracted AMOG-ing from jealous Japanese guys, but in this album it looks like you've got Japanese guys (Ichiro, and the guy getting kissed) in your crew.
/r/seduction10/04/11 05:05 PM
1

So true...
/r/seduction10/04/11 02:22 AM
2

He's totally right. The following are all different: Monogamy/cheating Casual nonexclusive relationship, aka FB, FWB Serious nonexclusive relationship, aka "open relationship" Polyamory (generally more relationship oriented) Swinging (generally more hookup oriented, also more couple-centric) nb4 terminology quibbles
/r/seduction08/04/11 11:29 PM
1

AskSeddit thread
/r/seduction08/04/11 03:39 PM
2

Ugh. This comment was at zero just now, for no reason whatsoever. Some ignorant lurking neckbeard...
/r/seduction07/04/11 04:18 AM
1

Meh, I don't think it's so much douchebags as recovering AFCs who think being alpha means being macho in some old school sense.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:53 PM
4

a post about gay pick up is totally useless to me and most seddit users, so all that link is doing is wasting space. If you take it literally, maybe. But if you see it as an exploration of gender and pickup ideas, you have no idea how useful or useless it might be until you give it a chance. I mean, use your imagination. Let me give an example. One of the banes of our existence is LMR/ASD. A post by a gay dude explaning how LMR/ASD work in that universe – when they occur, when they don't, and wh…
/r/seduction06/04/11 01:52 PM
10

lol u mad bro?
/r/seduction06/04/11 01:45 PM
3

girls can't give good advice when it comes to seducing girls. The same way I'd have trouble giving a girl some advice about seducing guys. I completely, 100% agree that women are usually terrible at it. But "can't" is putting it waaaay too strongly. For starters, lesbians can give good advice, which only needs a little adjusting for straight guys. Moving on to apparently straight girls, you don't know how many of them are bi (unless they tell you) and have relevant experience just like lesbians …
/r/seduction06/04/11 01:43 PM
2

Cool! And welcome. I just found your post from last month and wrote a rant about it being downvoted :)
/r/seduction06/04/11 05:52 AM
1

Try r/AskSeddit.
/r/seduction06/04/11 05:41 AM
1

Yes yes, this.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:55 AM
3

So true. I think there's a number of things in play here – feeling emasculated liking the thought of being picked up by attractive girls in theory; not liking being hit on by unattractive girls in practice the guys who say this are frequently passive types to begin with, who don't speak for all guys
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:53 AM
2

GayPUA Whoah, tell me more about this account/yourself.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:49 AM
3

This comment is golden. My last real GF was almost this – but with just enough irrationality/creativity to keep me from getting totally bored like you did. But she still gave me new appreciation for more "flighty" girls, as you gained from your experience.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:47 AM
2

This is such an odd post. Agreed, but it's not a bad thing. And I don't think OP has "level 9 shields," she was just putting a douchebag in his place.
/r/seduction04/04/11 11:27 PM
4

I don't quite understand how the context worked out of the "we're doing it right now" when you clearly weren't One word: buttplug
/r/seduction04/04/11 11:26 PM
0

Yeah, this is some fairly chumpy shit, surprised it's being upvoted.
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:52 AM
3

You're an angel among women. Seriously, the guy that first suggested PUA stuff to me years ago I can't thank enough, and I'd kill for a good wingwoman.
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:41 AM
5

Yeah, there's a lulzy amount of "internet tough guy" in this thread.
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:30 AM
1

Meetup.com?
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:48 PM
2

When I read the definition I got giddy at how brilliant it was. I know exactly how you feel. I'm still a beginner, but I've seen enough success to realize such things are possible, and possible for me. And it still makes me literally lol sometimes. The future is beautiful, gentlemen...
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:47 PM
1

I approve of this comment thread.
/r/seduction03/04/11 04:27 PM
0

I have always wanted approval from her for the way I dress. There's problem number 1. And dressing well yourself pays no relevance if nobody knows it. It sounds like you're in an open relationship. (Congrats, btw.) I guess I'm more concerned about your long term prospects with your GF than with other girls. They don't know, as you say, but your GF does, and I don't know her but I think most girls will have issues respecting a guy they are dressing.
/r/seduction01/04/11 06:31 PM
2

Yes, physical appearance matters, and it's probably 20-30 percent of attraction for most women IMHO. The "looks don't matter" meme can be taken too far. That said, I think it's an important counter for guys who assume that figure is more like 80-90 percent. (It is for men, but women are different.) Point is, being handsome and/or well-dressed definitely helps. Scoring well on that 20-30 percent can push you over the top. But confidence/etc. is still the most important thing with women.
/r/seduction01/04/11 04:22 PM
-4

I've been letting her dress me the last couple of weeks. Whoah, what? You're letting a female dress you? Are you 7? Way more attention than usual. This is because dressing poorly < dressing well with help <<< dressing well yourself
/r/seduction01/04/11 04:14 PM
3

I so want to read an FR that somehow involves earthquakes, tsunamis, or nuclear meltdown
/r/seduction30/03/11 04:26 AM
7

It's not denial, it's a subtle point about method. The topic of this subreddit is getting pussy, but no individual should make that their primary goal in life, because if they do, they're super lame (a meta critique), and their progress is probably going to plateau (a practical critique). Instead, an individual's primary goal should be something like "being awesome," with getting laid as a secondary component. Not only is this a better way to live (on a meta level), in the long run it's likely t…
/r/seduction29/03/11 11:27 PM
6

That was a pretty measured response to a fairly trolltastic comment, well done.
/r/seduction29/03/11 01:05 AM
2

Who's downvoting this? It's not a direct answer to OP's question, but it's a great response if you're OK with buying.
/r/seduction27/03/11 11:49 PM
2

Dude, if your skin so thin you can't take the most mild skepticism, man up or don't post here. Yes, I'm an asshole. Downvote. Done.
/r/seduction26/03/11 11:31 PM
24

Great FR man. Sad if it's really the last – the post-pickup/natural game perspective is a perspective everyone could use more of.
/r/seduction26/03/11 11:27 PM
1

I don't know if you noticed, but this place is about picking up women, meaning 99% of the people here are dudes. (And while I can't speak for the lesbian/bi women, I'd be surprised if many of them took great offense at titles like OP's.)
/r/seduction26/03/11 10:25 PM
1

Or the rest of the world is...
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:14 PM
4

Dude asked for a squats program, I gave him one. If you have a different idea, post it; don't give me shit for giving him one.
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:13 PM
2

What's the difference?
/r/seduction22/03/11 02:35 PM
2

I'm the first to defend female commenters here when they have something insightful to contribute (and your point that "more and more women these days are open to casual sex" is certainly that). But I'm downvoting you because you're making crude, lazy generalizations about this whole scene. Read objectsinmirror's comment, read some posts that are even more anti-routine than he is, and think twice before you make assumptions when commenting here.
/r/seduction22/03/11 03:57 AM
3

Who's downvoting this? Chick contributions are great, and should only be downvoted when they're clearly bogus.
/r/seduction22/03/11 03:54 AM
1

Try Starting Strength – google it. Three sets of 5 every other day.
/r/seduction22/03/11 03:48 AM
58

Also, if you do your squats down onto an anal dildo mounted on the floor, your testosterone shoots up an additional 20 percent. Broscience.
/r/seduction22/03/11 03:47 AM
6

All this talk of not orgasming, sexual fury, etc. made me think of this Louis CK quote: The most dangerous people are dudes who did not get laid.
/r/seduction22/03/11 03:46 AM
1

Blow someone else in the bathroom. Snowball the creepy dude.
/r/seduction19/03/11 11:43 PM
1

Meh, reactive.
/r/seduction19/03/11 04:07 AM
1

Try posting this to AskSeddit. Try reading the current top rated post here.
/r/seduction19/03/11 01:02 AM
33

I'm hoping to start doing this every week, or maybe the other mods will help out. We'll see :)
/r/seduction19/03/11 12:03 AM
3

if she indirectly inquires, brush it off saying i had a lot of fun that night. if she directly inquires, state i was out with friends. Make sure you don't sound like you're ashamed of something. You should be sincere and excited if you say "I had a lot of fun that night," and if she directly inquires, your line seems like a lie and hard to believe.
/r/seduction18/03/11 04:53 PM
3

It's like tech support advice. Shut up and reboot.
/r/seduction18/03/11 04:38 PM
3

What? I took that as "jokes that are so funny they practically kill people." Not "destroying people's jokes".
/r/seduction18/03/11 04:37 PM
2

Son, you gotta be more specific than "a lot of PUA material." What exactly are you talking about? What widely accepted bit of pickup wisdom says you need to "conquer" people? Show us. When he started performing to our group, he felt awkward/insecure and needed us to elevate him. So the problem isn't that he tried to open a big group and be the life of the party – the problem is he did that without the necessary inner game.
/r/seduction17/03/11 04:21 AM
2

Instead of a "poke" or "wink" feature, make a "stick a Sharpie in their pooper" feature.
/r/seduction16/03/11 11:30 PM
1

Good advice. The two beginner programs Fittit recommended (Starting Strength, which I'm doing, and Strong Lifts, which is similar) both involve a lot of squats.
/r/seduction16/03/11 04:42 PM
1

My two main mentors PRE instructorship were Derek (met him on my bootcamp, isn't an instructor, but a crazy street thug that taught me dominance and how to "choke a bitch") Say what?
/r/seduction16/03/11 02:53 AM
1

I think it has to do with the type of question, honestly. This guy isn't looking for advice, and it's more interesting than the average, partcular-situation question.
/r/seduction16/03/11 02:33 AM
1

Sex at Dawn Stever Robbins' 9 Steps to Work Less and Do More (both available on audio)
/r/seduction16/03/11 12:50 AM
1

I'd prefer it there too, but I think it's OK here – OP is asking a theoretical question of broad relevance. The stuff that definitely belongs in AskSeddit are questions specific to one guy's situation (how do I get Sarah to like me?) or particular problem (I can't open HB7s+, halp!).
/r/seduction16/03/11 12:36 AM
28

Yeah, you don't just touch random girls' hips at parties, you save that for later and stick to the arms and maybe back.
/r/seduction13/03/11 12:17 AM
1

Thanks for the plug! The main reason is because it's new, at least as an actively-promoted subreddit – only about a month old, and almost 800 members isn't bad for a month IMHO.
/r/seduction12/03/11 09:08 PM
3

Good point. I'd suggest nHB1-5 (for "not Hot Babe") instead though. I like how "HB#" jumps out in a wall of text and you can instantly tell it's talking about a girl. Also, I don't think 5s should be referred to as "ugly" – a 5 is a girl you are neither attracted to or repulsed by. Meaning, if a HB5 put a gun to your head and said "fuck me," you wouldn't say "awesome!", but you wouldn't say "fffuuuuuuuu" either.
/r/seduction11/03/11 06:59 PM
15

HB1 + HB2 + HB3 + HB4 = HB10!! Edit: Just realized that's already four people, and there's no room for Tofu. Maybe he's the HB4. Which gives me a hilarious image of Tofu and a bunch of ugly girls as Transformers combining into a Mecha-HB10.
/r/seduction11/03/11 03:47 PM
3

What does it say that I first learned about the quake from a seddit post? (Maybe I did the right thing unsubscribing from all the bullshit subreddits?)
/r/seduction11/03/11 03:47 PM
4

This is a great format idea – I don't know if I want my face associated with pickup just yet though, so I may not follow suit. I mean, if some chick I'm working on browses seddit and sees a wall of text by "blackdevildisco," she'll probably think nothing of it, but if she recognizes my face, game's up. It's not because I feel like there's anything to hide about the pickup ideas/methods I use – I don't – it's because I make candid statements about people in FRs, and I can see that being problemat…
/r/seduction07/03/11 02:28 AM
3

Sure sounds like it though...
/r/seduction07/03/11 02:15 AM
8

It is much harder to build a happy, lasting relationship than it is to fuck a skank that you've taken home from a club. Not that I'm judging Bullshit, you're judging precisely at the word "skank," which compares apples to oranges. Somebody wanting to make a shitty argument for seddit > R_A could just as easily say, "It is much harder to take home a model from a club than have a mediocre LTR with an HB6. Not that I'm judging" See? Just as dumb. The comparison that's actually relevant is, how hard…
/r/seduction04/03/11 03:38 PM
1

we blasted it out the Friday before A guy in email marketing told me you get the best open rates on midweek afternoons. Think about it: who wants to check email on a Friday? And if you check it, who wants to actually respond? Then by the time Monday or Tuesday rolls around, and you're bored at work, it's old news or you've forgotten about it.
/r/seduction04/03/11 03:31 PM
3

Oh, I didn't notice you changed "what you are" to "who you are" – that's a small improvement, true. But it's still basically about shaming women for prostitution/sex work, and shaming women in general for having sex in socially-unapproved ways – which is fucked up, and against our interest PUAs (liberated attitudes help us). Think about it: why is it "greedy, manipulative, selfish" to sleep with someone for $50,000? If that's your annual salary, that's a huge, huge amount of money, for one night…
/r/seduction02/03/11 05:41 PM
2

Basically, yeah – I don't think it's shameful that she's willing to give head to finance her vacation. Hell, I'd consider it, if I knew there was a market! What reflects so poorly on her is how little respect she has for the OP, that she would make such an insulting offer – trying to take advantage of his sexual frustrations to make a ludicrous* amount of money off him. It's true the OP was letting her disrespect him, as he says, and people only respect you however much you respect yourself. But…
/r/seduction02/03/11 05:15 PM
1

Made me think of this Kids in the Hall ("Again!" "Don't got"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzJ0Uh1uPz8
/r/seduction02/03/11 03:10 PM
1

GENIUS
/r/seduction02/03/11 03:06 PM
2

You should see this Kids in the Hall, it makes fun of the whole "take care of certain... problems" vague mobster way of talking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFbtifytd0
/r/seduction02/03/11 03:03 PM
1

Meh, I always hated this meme. The punchline is based on the idea that being a whore (= sex worker) is a shameful thing, and it's not. Some people do it because they have few/no other options; some people do it because it's easy money and they don't have emotional hangups about it. Obviously, for the receiver (and us, and the OP), paid sex is worth less than real sex, but that's a totally different thing from putting down sex workers. I care about this because I know people who have done sex wor…
/r/seduction02/03/11 02:59 PM
1

For example, “hang on! You got it” if the girl looks beat or “looking strong! Let’s see that kick” and lots of other nonsense. Sounds like good advice to me :)
/r/seduction02/03/11 02:19 AM
2

#4 in particular is a key difference.
/r/seduction01/03/11 03:07 PM
4

Grammar Nazi moment: "dominate" is a verb, "dominant" is the adjective. So: "You DO need to be dominant."
/r/seduction01/03/11 03:06 PM
3

This is terrible. Where is ThrowawayPUA when you need him?
/r/seduction01/03/11 03:20 AM
1

I think everything OP said is true, for receiving texts. I generally don't reply to texts on a date, but at an opportune moment I'll read a text I recently got. I don't think it's rude, and I do think it shows social proof.
/r/seduction01/03/11 02:57 AM
6

Fuck yes, been wanting to learn more about RSD.
/r/seduction25/02/11 04:05 AM
1

Great FR, big props to ya mate. Two comments. First: we start making out i ask her if she wants to come back to my place she declines You asked? You should've told, and then told again when she declined the first time. Second: I suspect there may be some HB inflation in this FR – that is, that the rest of us might rate these girls as HB7, HB7.5 and HB8. An HB9 should be someone who is by far the hottest girl in the room anywhere she goes short of a fashion show. Was she really that hot?
/r/seduction25/02/11 03:33 AM
6

HB-Bitch: I don't like guys who speak Japanese but open girls in English. TofuTofu: derp I've got nothing. I have never been asked this before and I have no idea how to respond. BOOM. Shit test failed and I am blown out. Yeah, wow. I'm racking my brain here. Would agree and amplify have worked here? It's hard to make it fit, but maybe something like: "I know, isn't that a shitty thing to do? It's like I walked up and <some ridiculous insult/diss> to you. I'm a terrible person." Said without an a…
/r/seduction24/02/11 05:03 AM
27

I like the analogy, but I can do without the epic "battle of the genders" sob story you started out with. I would just put it like this: as an AFC, you think the world has certain rules, and you're condemned to live within them – and you can't imagine it any other way, like a fish doesn't even notice the water. At best you see yourself having an OK life with a single/double-digit amount of pussy. But once you've taken pill, your entire reality (as far as sex/girls go) melts and you realize the w…
/r/seduction23/02/11 04:11 PM
5

Here's the concept you need to grasp: WOMEN AREN'T MEN Women are different than men, and particularly, women aren't as visually driven as men. That doesn't mean they don't care at all, it just means looks are something like 30% of the picture for them vs. more like 80% of the picture for guys
/r/seduction23/02/11 04:37 AM
1

This should be in r/askseddit.
/r/seduction23/02/11 02:52 AM
3

I actually am on the fence about taking guy's girlfriends -- guys you don't know, I mean. You have a point: if he's not keeping her happy and attracted, why shouldn't you? But doing that to YOUR FRIEND, when he was obviously trusting you, is a shitty, shitty thing to do. Which is why OP feels terrible.
/r/seduction21/02/11 02:22 AM
2

r/askseddit :)
/r/seduction20/02/11 05:45 AM
9

Just wow.
/r/seduction20/02/11 05:44 AM
2

I disagree -- seems like game helped him convert that initial interest into a lay. Which supports his point in the final paragraph.
/r/seduction20/02/11 05:42 AM
2

Big kudos. As you already know, this wasn't the smoothest k-close in the world, but putting yourself out there is exactly what you need to do to build confidence and experience. Keep it up.
/r/seduction20/02/11 02:27 AM
3

Sure, but there are alpha and beta ways to not respond. It sounded like he came across as frozen, not above it all.
/r/seduction20/02/11 02:20 AM
5

if she pulls this resistance consider that you've just spent a small amount of time and money to find out that she sucks and you don't want to be around her and you're better off. Yeah, that, or she's just taken and it's nothing personal :) Great FR!
/r/seduction19/02/11 11:02 PM
4

OP gave you a big fat AA tip right here: if you force yourself to write FRs, you are by default forcing yourself to GET OFF REDDIT AND GO MEET GIRLS! It's for your own good to write FRs! I don't think there's any way to get rid of AA completely through reading, tips, videos, etc. -- that can help, but you have to get out there and work through it.
/r/seduction18/02/11 03:36 PM
1

I keep seeing people say there are FRs that are just bragging. I haven't seen one yet.
/r/seduction18/02/11 03:26 PM
1

I don't think you should worry about seeming desperate yet. She's clearly into you, so text her, "I'm going out for drinks <day>, you should join me." If she's busy, try another day – it's probably legit, and she probably does in fact want to hang out. Oh, and you totally can f-close this next date I bet.
/r/seduction18/02/11 06:43 AM
1

I don't get the recurring "braggy" meme.
/r/seduction18/02/11 06:24 AM
1

I think this is just the announcement, the Q&A is later...
/r/seduction17/02/11 02:08 AM
6

Awesome!
/r/seduction17/02/11 12:44 AM
5

This is very beta. This is very poor advising. He's calling it like it is, don't get butthurt about it.
/r/seduction17/02/11 12:42 AM
1

I think he did already!
/r/seduction17/02/11 12:40 AM
2

Thanks for the clarification. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think this ethical question is unique to shy girls – any girl you game might become really attached to you.
/r/seduction16/02/11 03:36 PM
3

I'm just worried that this community (that I love) might become an online university for sociopaths. Speak for yourself. How will you deal with the inevitable aftermath of her developing feelings for you and expecting more and being hurt? You're making sweeping generalizations, and treating this girl (whom you know nothing about) like a child. She's an adult, older than me actually, who is perfectly aware of the risks of hooking up with someone before you're in a relationship with them: e.g., yo…
/r/seduction16/02/11 02:35 PM
2

otay
/r/seduction16/02/11 05:08 AM
2

Just found this FR – dude, this is amazing. This is exactly the kind of girl I hope to eventually find. And you're so right about first messages needing push/pull, not comfort. I hadn't conceptualized it so clearly, and I probably blew it with the last girl I was super into – sent a decent message, interesting, but too much comfort and not enough tease/disqualification.
/r/seduction16/02/11 03:56 AM
2

This reminds me I need to get back into dance lessons – being able to teach a girl a dance (I've never done it) seems like it must be huge DHV, and it's obviously full of great kino.
/r/seduction16/02/11 02:30 AM
1

You're totally right, I hadn't even though of that – shows how little I've gone to clubs. If I could do it over, I think I would've done the same thing, but tried to make it more clear I was trying to pay him a compliment, and perhaps tried to help him recover/transition before ejecting.
/r/seduction15/02/11 06:35 PM
3

No, Tofu said that to a guy who was fucking with him -- see his last FR.
/r/seduction13/02/11 04:50 AM
4

Thanks. You're right that I was "on tilt." Though I do think there is a place for rage and bluntness -- I think people often overestimate the counterproductive factor.
/r/seduction12/02/11 08:38 PM
2

if someone makes a mistake due to their inexperience then it's still completely unnecessary to get angry at them for it, simply be nice and point out the error so that they might now make it again. I don't think you fully appreciate the situation, which is partly my fault, as I could've linked to my prior comment in the rage comment. Which I will do now: I did "simply be nice and point out the error" in this comment, and so did manicakes. OP didn't respond, and readers downvoted both comments (a…
/r/seduction12/02/11 07:34 PM
1

Way to go. Dancing with random girls is still tough for me (FR forthcoming). FWIW though, I don't think you need to worry about talking too much in a club – dancing and kino speaks volumes, so just try to escalate and take a girl home at the end. If you really do want to talk though, I suggest bars or day game over clubs.
/r/seduction12/02/11 07:17 PM
2

Newbie questions that add little or nothing of value and clutter up the front page make seddit less useful for more experienced people, and this makes us rage. Of course I know I could've said it in a way that wasn't rude and inflammatory. Did you read this bit? which I would've phrased more diplomatically if you were posting in r/askseddit Did you also notice I previously commented "post this in r/askseddit" and got downvoted? It's posts like this, and people like you that defend them, that are…
/r/seduction12/02/11 07:07 PM
2

It's gone from a rhetorical prop with ~10 subscribers days ago, to a real subreddit yesterday with 50+, to 100+ today. Give it time.
/r/seduction12/02/11 07:00 PM
4

Plus, you'd be surprised how little people actually care what you are doing. Reminds me of a great quote: When I was a young man, I worried what people thought about me. When I got a little older, I stopped caring what people thought about me. When I got much older, I realized they hadn't been thinking about me at all!
/r/seduction12/02/11 06:56 PM
5

Edit: This was a reaction to this comment being downvoted. OP, don't take it too personally. Since OP and the newbie upvoters are ignoring the guidelines in the sidebar by posting here, here is some blunt advice (which I would've phrased more diplomatically if you were posting in r/askseddit): How old are you? If you're old enough to drive or get motel rooms, you're probably old enough to get a fucking job and move out of your fucking parents' home. I know it's normal for some cultures to have c…
/r/seduction12/02/11 06:40 PM
9

You should ask this in r/AskSeddit.
/r/seduction12/02/11 04:06 PM
2

You should ask this in r/askseddit.
/r/seduction11/02/11 05:09 PM
2

It's a crutch, like alcohol, but I think crutches are OK starting out – the metaphor speaks for itself. (What are you going to tell a person with a broken leg, "Get rid of that crutch, you need to walk on two feet!" Let them use their crutch until they grow out of it.) And even after you no longer need it, most things are OK in moderation.
/r/seduction11/02/11 05:06 PM
3

Way to go! I don't respond and she texts that "or tonight..." would work too. Not responding immediately is so key...
/r/seduction11/02/11 04:45 PM
3

druuuuuuugs fuck yea Seriously though, congrats! Edit: Who is downvoting this post? That's like downvoting a thank-you card.
/r/seduction11/02/11 06:55 AM
3

Jesus Christ. If you had spent any time reading anything here at all, you would be familiar with the concept of kino escalation.
/r/seduction10/02/11 05:50 AM
1

No, just 90 percent of them. I'm not against them being asked, I'm just against newb or oneitis questions being asked in this subreddit. Hence a working AskSeddit.
/r/seduction10/02/11 05:30 AM
1

Totally. I'll feel much more generous about commenting there than on non-FR newbie posts here. The main reason they bug me here is just that they clutter up the seddit front page when I'm looking for information I can learn from. If the questions migrate to AskSeddit, then I can go there when I feel like answering questions, and go here when I feel like learning.
/r/seduction09/02/11 06:36 PM
2

Hey, thanks! I knew it technically existed, I was just suggesting we publicize it more. For starters, the "IMPORTANT: This is not AskSeddit" bit in the sidebar could be changed to: "IMPORTANT: This is not AskSeddit".
/r/seduction08/02/11 06:32 PM
1

X-post to mansformation, somebody
/r/seduction08/02/11 05:15 PM
1

She’s very confident and was giving me my shit right back to me. I was doing some cocky/funny stuff on her and teasing her, and she was doing it right back. I’m very attracted to girls who can keep up with me. There’s very few that can and I love it. However, I needed to calibrate my game for this one because she’s a real firecracker, so I was really having a hard time keeping a dominant frame. And these types of girls get off on being dominated mentally. Sounds like the girl I've been doing FRs…
/r/seduction08/02/11 05:14 AM
3

Congrats! Yes, you totally AFC'd out during the act. And yes, you totally have been AFC'ing it up by pestering her every goddamn day. Why wouldn't you want her to think you're "not interested"? That's EXACTLY what you want her to think – or at least, to wonder. A girl's response to "maybe he's not interested" is for her to get MORE interested in you, perversely, not less. Please help me not fuck this up You've already fucked it up, honestly. Best thing you can do is ignore, next, meet other wome…
/r/seduction08/02/11 05:04 AM
8

"You look like a ____ expert." Brilliant, all-purpose opener for a lot of day game locations.
/r/seduction08/02/11 03:20 AM
2

I'm planning to call each of mine and have a chatty phone conversation. I think it'll make a girl feel valued without sending BF/GF vibes (like flowers would), and you can fit multiple phone calls in one day. Texting seems too little, better to go with something "bigger" or nothing IMHO.
/r/seduction08/02/11 03:16 AM
1

Re your first couple paragraphs: No, you're making a bunch of dumb assumptions, and making an ass of yourself. I still think that's a great line of yours though.
/r/seduction07/02/11 02:26 PM
1

Yes.
/r/seduction07/02/11 05:34 AM
1

As other people have commented, I'm not "taking advice" from or "idolizing" (your words in another comment) anybody. I don't give a flying fuck what Chris Rock thinks about women, or any other celebrity. The point is, there's a truth that he's expressing particularly well. Good advice is good advice. I'm not going to not quote/link to it just because he's a celebrity. Edit: Great line though!
/r/seduction07/02/11 05:33 AM
7

Yet another top-rated post by a newbie with absolutely nothing to teach anyone, except other newbies who know equally little. I'm starting to wonder why I check this subreddit. Can we have a seddit junior for AFC motivationals like this? Edit: Before the AFC bury brigade arrives, I'll just say I totally support the existence of posts like this – good on ya, mate – but it's just ridiculous that they keep getting to the top, and stuff we can actually learn from often doesn't.
/r/seduction05/02/11 12:39 AM
1

No, people care, it's just the useless, noncontributing newbies flooding this subreddit who don't.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:16 AM
4

WTF is this You spooned with a girl you like, she said she enjoyed it, and you're asking if you should next her? Why? Why?
/r/seduction04/02/11 01:09 AM
2

I think if you're spinning plates, you shouldn't be waiting for one them to break things off before you find someone new. Once you're seeing as many girls as you have time for, you should proactively "fire" the one you're least attracted to, and then try to add someone better. So I would say, fire the HB6(s) and try to score a HB8 or another HB9.
/r/seduction04/02/11 01:00 AM
1

After our workout she asked what was good to eat for sore muscles. Having no real clue I said, "Protein." Sorry, the correct answer was "sausage."
/r/seduction04/02/11 12:53 AM
-2

Yes. It shouldn't have been posted here in the first place. People upvoting and making supportive comments are endorsing seddit turning into group-therapy time, which has nothing to do with the point of this subreddit.
/r/seduction04/02/11 12:45 AM
4

Yeah, seddit is a regular cash cow...
/r/seduction03/02/11 07:34 AM
2

Betas are the norm, and natural alphas are the exception. It's totally reasonable for cachondo to focus on the 90% of the male population who are betas in answering OP's question. Especially since the other 10% (natural alphas) act pretty similar to PUAs (studied alphas)
/r/seduction03/02/11 07:33 AM
3

Was gonna say the same thing. OP's chances with those two girls are only over if he feels/acts as though he has anything to be ashamed of (which he doesn't).
/r/seduction03/02/11 05:58 AM
5

This reminds me of the time years ago when I asked a HB10 at my school for her number, nervous and dorky as fuck. She didn't give it to me, obv, but I felt proud of myself for having the balls to ask.
/r/seduction03/02/11 02:58 AM
-4

This thread has nothing to do with seduction, and you're contributing to the cancer by replying to it. Take this bullshit to r/malefashionadvice, please.
/r/seduction03/02/11 02:54 AM
1

Not seduction, try r/malefashionadvice
/r/seduction02/02/11 06:43 PM
3

Part of it was probably that he called the very next day. Definitely should've played it cool for a few days.
/r/seduction02/02/11 01:35 AM
2

redditor != sedditor The reason the scale is effectively 6-10 here is that no self-respecting, sober guy sleeps with girls he doesn't find attractive (1-5).
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:32 PM
1

Uh, did you read the post? No flaking at all, more like the opposite problem (she was so compliant it was almost boring). I didn't feel the need to emblazon this with the word "f-close" in the title, even though it was, as I thought that was obvious in context.
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:15 PM
2

Congrats, you're an exception, do you want a gold star?
/r/seduction01/02/11 12:18 PM
3

Yeah, I think girls of all stripes dig alpha males, sometimes despite themselves...
/r/seduction01/02/11 05:36 AM
0

A place is only as lame as you make it. I agree – hence the comment "Probably could've salvaged it better" – but why make things difficult? I agree with your second point too, except I don't think it's scarcity mentality in my case – abundance mentality has actually been one of my major epiphanies lately – just laziness. It's easier to hook up with an established girl than to meet a new one.
/r/seduction01/02/11 05:30 AM
1

And click "hide" too – it makes the front page look less depressing.
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:57 AM
5

Trolls? No, the newbs are just newbs, and I have no idea what you're talking about with the HB10 vs. HB12 thing. Please post an example. My guess is you just can't believe/are jealous of the fact that some people regularly score with HB8s and up. (I don't, but I love learning from people who do.)
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:24 AM
8

True, but sometimes seeing an example of a better-worded response can show you what a more confident attitude looks like. So I don't think #2 type posts are completely pointless.
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:15 AM
1

For some girls, but I think that would've come off as too douchey with this one. Oh, and WTF is your problem making comments beginning with "Wrong"? If you're going to be that ballsy, you better be bringing stronger sauce than those three goofy lines, or the OP better be making an obvious mistake, not a debatable one.
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:10 AM
1

Ha, good point. IMHO it's not that looks don't matter, it's that they matter less than other things. If you only subscribed to (and followed the advice of) one subreddit, seddit alone will get you way further than r/fitness alone. But both is even better.
/r/seduction30/01/11 07:32 AM
1

Be the LEADER the entire time. KEEP A LEADING FRAME. So true. On my last date I phrased the take-home as a question – "You're coming to my place, right?" and she looked at me like, wtf, you're supposed to be leading. I literally felt like I was dancing tango or some other lead-follow dance and had fucked up.
/r/seduction30/01/11 07:29 AM
1

YMMV, but IMHO it gets old shockingly fast...
/r/seduction30/01/11 07:18 AM
1

Cute banter What, the texting? I know! The problem was that there wasn't much banter in person.
/r/seduction30/01/11 06:30 AM
2

It might not be different for picking up girls, but spinning plates must be a lot harder. Once you get a reputation as a player, other girls are going to be more on their guard when you try to pick them up.
/r/seduction30/01/11 05:35 AM
1

You're right that it's not all about your personality, but personality is the most important thing. An average-looking guy (HG4-6) with amazing self-confidence and game will get laid way more than a timid, awkward HG10, no question. The HG10 might have the wheels more greased for that initial approach, but from that moment on, a girl is going to care more about how the HG5 is making her feel (due to his game) than how symmetrical the HG10's face is. A really ugly dude – HG2-3 even after grooming…
/r/seduction30/01/11 05:33 AM
3

I'm upvoting you because you're making a reasonable point – no, I haven't been his wingman, and I realize his comedy might not be meant to depict his actual life with total realism. But that said, if his material (standup, "Lucky Louis," and "Louie") is even loosely based on his life, dude's an AFC.
/r/seduction30/01/11 05:24 AM
1

Nope – my original comment began with the words "I love him". I think something else is going on here. I feel everybody's pain – I love him, and it pained me when I realized this dude I kind of idolize in many respects appears to be serious AFC. And it's really strange, actually – otherwise, the guy seems pretty alpha, at least in the sense that he doesn't give a shit what other people think about him (hence so much of his unfiltered, genius material).
/r/seduction30/01/11 05:19 AM
-4

AFC newbies who can't bear to hear that someone like they so much (and I like so much!) is also an AFC?
/r/seduction30/01/11 03:00 AM
1

TofuTofu posts the most epic FRs here, and he's overweight. Also, people say I'm good looking, but I'm skinny and I've had terrible acne this month, and it hasn't stopped me. I haven't checked them out, but people recommend David Wygant and RSD for improving your confidence.
/r/seduction30/01/11 01:21 AM
-3

I love him, but he's sooooooo beta with women (Not talking about this clip – see anything about him and his wife, or meeting new girls post-divorce)
/r/seduction30/01/11 01:20 AM
3

Once more: women don't care that much about looks I mean, looks help, but a non-confident male model will do worse than a HG3+ with amazing confidence and game.
/r/seduction30/01/11 01:02 AM
1

a way of weeding out the girls who aren't that sexual, so I moved on. There's definitely a lot to be said for that.
/r/seduction29/01/11 09:54 PM
1

"Hot" in the sense of physical attractiveness isn't what I'm talking about – I'm talking about AFC vs. not AFC.
/r/seduction29/01/11 08:12 PM
1

Take this with a huuuuuuge grain of salt, since I'm neither a chick nor a lesbian, but to me it seems like you might be too preoccupied with a girl's current self-identified orientation. I mean, she might be "straight," or she might be "bi," or she might be "straight plus LesbianPUA." I've surprised people who didn't think they were into guys, and a guy once surprised me before I realized there were guys I could be attracted to. There's a first time for everything. (Easy for me to say, since I h…
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:57 PM
1

Awesome advice.
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:42 PM
2

Oh, I totally agree about practicing – it's nice to hear someone else recommending it outside my own brain. I'm just saying smiles as openers are probably slightly harder for guys than girls.
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:33 PM
1

My text game sucks and I want to keep light convo up throughout the week, do you guys have any tips? A more specific question is more likely to get an answer, IMHO. What do you already know about text game?
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:32 PM
1

I have to make sure my text/phone game is down to keep her interested. That might be your problem right there – you sound a bit too invested in the outcome. Just try to have fun, and game other girls in the meantime, and probably you'll be in good shape for whenever you see her next. For me, "trying to have fun" with a girl is largely "seeing what I can get away with." What's the most hilariously outrageous text you could send that wouldn't be guaranteed to turn her off?
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:29 PM
3

Now, of course it's a bit easier for girls to do this than guys, but don't let that stop you!! I bet this is true – but I bet that just makes it a little harder for us, not impossible.
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:23 PM
2

We small talk, and I neg her for hitting on guys at the gym. Her friend HB8 strolls in and I playfully act like HB7 has been talking trash about HB8. They're both laughing/smiling. HB8 points out that HB7 just keeps smiling and she couldn't figure out why. I have the set primed for a #-close or insta-date....and I flop. I totally blow it and eject from the set without anything to show. That sucks... but don't be so hard on yourself with this "fail report" nonsense – this is an FR. You did a lot …
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:44 PM
4

"My friend is too shy to be a wingwoman and I want to talk to those two Asian chicks (both HB8) over there. Come be my wing-women" That's amazing. And the "Zimbabwe dollars" line was hilarious.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:40 PM
5

Not sure I'm picking up what you're putting down, mind explaining? Edit: Here's my guess. OP is saying clingy guys (= AFCs) tend to be unexciting in the sack too, and guys that are animals in the sack tend not to be AFCs. Is that it? I think that's probably true, but just as a rule of thumb.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:15 PM
2

Fucking awesome. she actually LOVES Tickle Me Elmo, so I tickled her. She played it off nice, but I could tell she was resistant to my tickling. She said “thanks” for wishing her a happy birthday and turned back around to the 3 dudes she was with. Oops. I probably went on a bit strong but whatever. I feel silly critiquing someone with waaaaaay more game than me, but FWIW I can see how the tickling right off the bat would be too much. If it was me I would've done something like, "OK, I'm going to…
/r/seduction29/01/11 05:35 PM
3

I'm hoping this isn't the setup to another "This guy is just successful because he's physically attractive" comment thread...
/r/seduction29/01/11 05:08 PM
1

Ha, it was some professional guru (= sells study materials) who wrote that, he was probably lowballing on purpose to sell more books...
/r/seduction29/01/11 04:58 PM
10

Killer. You sound like you know what you're doing, but FWIW I always go for sex on the first date, assuming it's a normal date. (If it's an ostensibly platonic coffee date or something, I might wait.) It sets an expectation that this is a primarily sexual relationship (until further notice), which I think is important if you aren't trying to find an LTR in the near future.
/r/seduction29/01/11 12:14 AM
7

It was probably just "I want to get some sleep" resistance, not sex-related LMR at that point.
/r/seduction29/01/11 12:10 AM
1

I forget who said it, but you should have at least a 2:1 ratio of field time : study time.
/r/seduction28/01/11 11:43 PM
4

Yes. It's true some guys aren't into this – I think it's the ones that buy into socially prescribed gender roles more – but I think nerdy guys are less likely to have hangups over it.
/r/seduction27/01/11 03:17 PM
1

We'll allow it - you're asking a question of broader relevance than these "how do I make Sarah like me??" posts.
/r/seduction27/01/11 04:05 AM
3

I think OP may have made his first blunder by letting her pick the place and (I'm guessing) time for this meeting. You should be doing that in general, and especially talks like this.
/r/seduction27/01/11 03:58 AM
5

It implies you're highly frustrated ... Remember YOU ARE THE PARTY. OK, you've talked me out of it :) Although I do feel like we agree on the larger point, which is that rescheduling shouldn't just be reflexively accommodated. Your line "I'm dropping you to my third favorite Japanese girl now," for example, is basically a more fun way of expressing the same kind of disapproval I'm trying to communicate.
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:51 AM
1

you cant text "lightheartedness." I know, I know, I need to absorb that concept about text game better... I do think in this context (most recently) she took it that way, but you're right it's very much not guaranteed a person takes something how you intend it over text.
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:47 AM
2

Exactly.
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:43 AM
2

reactive Really? I don't see it. Have you seen "The Sandlot"? I imagine people who have seen it get the humor/lightheartedness intended more easily, other people less so. Which, I suppose, makes it less good of a line.
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:41 AM
2

lol, I think I've touched a nerve :) I TOTALLY get that rescheduling is a normal part of life. The "advance-warning flaking" bit was kind of tongue-in-cheek. That said, it's possible to be too accommodating. I mean, if you make plans with someone, that should go on her calendar, and that time should be unavailable for other events, unless it's something really important. If you just reflexively are OK with being rescheduled, you're sort of communicating to the other person, "My schedule/time isn…
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:39 AM
1

without also looking like a complete homo. You say that like it's a bad thing!
/r/seduction26/01/11 05:49 AM
4

Especially good advice for people from religious backgrounds. For me it was Led Zeppelin and 60s/70s funk that helped me embrace my sexuality as a normal, natural thing.
/r/seduction26/01/11 05:48 AM
1

This post makes no sense because you forgot the link.
/r/seduction26/01/11 05:31 AM
1

1 in HS, 6 in college – it may not be great, but you've still got me beat :)
/r/seduction26/01/11 05:29 AM
3

Um, what? That's what I'm saying. I've read the sidebar. Did you think I was being sarcastic?
/r/seduction26/01/11 04:00 AM
3

Thanks for this, mod. The overall tone of friendliness and encouragement that you've established is a good thing, I think, but occasionally people need reminders about groundrules like this.
/r/seduction26/01/11 02:47 AM
1

I don't think I was so much an AFC as an "average lucky chump." Meaning, I had no clue how seduction worked, but I fell into a series of LTRs through highschool and college, so I was getting laid enough that I wasn't especially frustrated with my love life. Until senior year I found myself single, with a baaaad case of oneitis for one of my exes, and that was terrible. Thankfully, I stumbled onto David D, and that was my first huuuuuge epiphany. Oh my God, attracting girls isn't primarily about …
/r/seduction26/01/11 01:00 AM
2

Would it be fair to say, then, that you think MM isn't so great for actually learning to pick up women, but it's great for post-facto analysis?
/r/seduction26/01/11 12:50 AM
1

She might also be feeling like you're going too far with the hacker/drug dealer thing... I mean, at first it was scary (fake number), then it was sexy/funny (real number), and maybe now it's making her anxious again. /$0.02
/r/seduction26/01/11 12:43 AM
1

Why is it either/or though? Can't you go halfsies?
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:16 AM
3

What is this "drama from the past"? This is a question for sedditors who know about it, not Savoy.
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:03 AM
1

This is the environment I thrive in, the warm open and internet/texting game. I did well here because a) I already had a reason to approach this girl and b) I built rapport with her yesterday.... Take me to a club or a bar and I look like 90% of the guys there standing around like mongoloids. Yep, that's me too... (for the time being)
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:00 AM
7

I saw her entering her email into someone's phone, so without asking whose it was I took it out of her hand, erased what she had written, and put it on the table. The girl loved it. The guy who owned the phone did not. He protested - to her, not to me - but she blew him off and followed me out of the bar, holding my hand. The epic, it hurts lololololololol
/r/seduction25/01/11 07:56 AM
1

That's awesome.
/r/seduction25/01/11 07:33 AM
1

I was about to say "zomg never text twice!" But that was actually funny. It's good you have the "next" mentality down. Great FR.
/r/seduction25/01/11 04:19 AM
3

I feel like there is this stigma where I seem rude or a cheapskate. This is 2011, man, girls should pay for their own fucking ingestibles.
/r/seduction24/01/11 06:33 AM
2

Yes, good list, although the idea of checking it on your phone mid-conversation is pretty ridiculous.
/r/seduction24/01/11 06:12 AM
2

Yes, that's it – you need to go out, have some successes, have some crashes and burns, write an FR about it, get some tips/encouragement, and go out and try it again.
/r/seduction24/01/11 05:54 AM
1

People here say good things about David Wygant, though I haven't checked him out yet.
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:16 AM
1

Have you been reading the sidebar-linked articles? A question that shows you've digested that will get a better response.
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:07 AM
2

How much have you been reading in the sidebar?
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:06 AM
2

Props. Not to diminish your skill as a PUA, but I think the playing music thing was probably key for picking up the Persian girl, and your pickup skills were basically what allowed you to convert that initial interest into a lay. The takeaway being, it's awesome to have major DHVs like that in your life, and if a guy doesn't have anything, he should work on fixing that!
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:05 AM
5

I'm not afraid to dance, but I have NO IDEA how to escalate kino on the dancefloor. I go into my own little zone, and look at people bumping and grinding with girls with envy. I don't have this problem off the dancefloor, so it's confusing why all of a sudden kino becomes hard for me when dancing.
/r/seduction24/01/11 01:45 AM
3

You're misinterpreting the word "reactive." Not being reactive doesn't mean "not reacting," it means not reacting in a kneejerk way. Put another way, instead of functioning like this: stimulus > response (being reactive), you should function like: stimulus > moment of reflection > response. IntermediatePUA's point is that if your inner game is strong, that moment of reflection will allow you to formulate an on-the-spot response that doesn't fail the test.
/r/seduction24/01/11 01:42 AM
0

I'm confused, what's the connection between a club's cover charge and whether they card you? she asks me if I go to love hotels often and basically tries to call me out as a player. I hurdled and said no this was my first time, which it truly was. I don`t think I handled that situation very well. Did you see this thread on the player accusation? If it was really your first time at a love hotel, what you said wasn't terrible IMHO, but I might've made it more double edged by saying something like,…
/r/seduction23/01/11 07:23 PM
4

No, no, no – it's not at all a "big dog" vs. AFC issue. It's a FR vs. "AskSeddit" issue. When anybody, pro or newbie, posts a real FR – a report of them attempting to put stuff into practice, and asking for feedback – I upvote and encourage them. Like this guy. When newbies expect us to hold their hands and advise them on every move they make (instead of manning up, going out, making mistakes, and then writing it up as an FR), I tell them to RTFM.
/r/seduction23/01/11 02:13 AM
3

I don't know if it was good or bad, but I answered her with a smile and a question, "Are your friends hot women, by chance?!" Oh, that was good alright!
/r/seduction22/01/11 06:12 AM
1

I made a pact with myself that I would post each night up whether the results were favorable or not. Same here – I think otherwise I'll just want to post the successes. I think it's better for everyone if people post both their successes and failures. So props, and there's nothing shitty about this FR. Explain the "would you?" "yeah, sure" exchange in more detail? Yeah, you probably should've kissed her at the hug moment. Did it just not occur to you, or did you lose your nerve? I'm not sure abo…
/r/seduction22/01/11 06:06 AM
1

Meh, I think this is only awesome if it's an actual guy. If there are no guys I'd use "Not even in your dreams."
/r/seduction22/01/11 05:05 AM
3

Excerpts from the lyrics: Looking round the room, I can tell that you / are the most beautiful girl in the... room / (In the whole wide room) And when you're on the street, depending on the street / I bet you are definitely in the top three / good lookin' girls on the street / (Depending on the street) You're so beautiful / You could be a waitress You're so beautiful / You could be an air hostess in the sixties You're so beautiful / You could be a part-time model I draw you near, lets get out of…
/r/seduction22/01/11 04:50 AM
4

Kudos for having the balls to post these. It's always scary posting your shit verbatim. What jumps out at me is that you should phrase things as instructions – declaratives or imperatives, not as questions. For example, these texts: "Happy Friday! Wanna grab a coffee tomorrow?" "Happy Friday! Let's grab a coffee tomorrow." "Let me know if you'd like to reindulge in sausages tomorrow :)" "Are you free tomorrow? Let's reindulge in sausages." ...are instantly way better than your originals. It feel…
/r/seduction22/01/11 04:38 AM
1

I don't know that any PUA should "need" it, but I think I'll still use it even when my cold game improves. I think it opens up possibilities to meet kinds of people you might not run into in other venues. I doubt the girl from this FR from goes to clubs much, for example.
/r/seduction22/01/11 03:06 AM
1

That's what I meant, the power dynamic. Cuddling is awesome, sure, but it's a little la-di-da.
/r/seduction21/01/11 09:48 PM
1

See, that is how you neg. Awesome. Didn't you say you were 20? Is that too young for OKC? I suppose maybe it's mostly a post-college-age thing, though I never thought about that.
/r/seduction21/01/11 09:35 PM
0

I can sort of sympathize with this feeling, but you really don't need anything so comprehensive as a checklist. IMO you should just fly totally by instinct, or have just a couple new ideas in your head that you want to try out. For example, I want to try out TofuTofu's extreme physical push/pull thing next time I have a chance, so that'll be in the back of my head next time I'm on a date or sarging. But I don't need to freaking write it down.
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:12 PM
1

Have you read the FAQ and the sidebar posts?
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:08 PM
1

Mixed groups, as in, male and female groups? Open them anyway, talk to everyone. Have you not read anything here at all?
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:01 PM
2

WTF is this. Are you for real? Or being sarcastic? It's a dumb comment either way.
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:00 PM
0

Yes, RTFM, people. I was about to upvote based on his first sentence, but reading the whole post makes me doubt he actually read very much.
/r/seduction21/01/11 03:06 PM
1

Um, "winning hearts and minds" pretty much always refers to large scale evangelization/persuasion, which maybe isn't what you were trying to say, but I was just saying for the record I think that doesn't make any sense.
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:23 PM
1

Thanks. (I did, right after posting.)
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:16 PM
2

Not sure what you're asking...
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:14 PM
2

Four hours – the FR I just posted, but which is currently spam filtered :< Now watch everyone else in this thread is going to be under 1 hour
/r/seduction21/01/11 06:30 AM
1

This is great shit, man. Look forward to future FRs.
/r/seduction21/01/11 05:40 AM
1

Definitely should have number closed her. You think? Remember they have a class together, so he can always ask her later. IMHO I would take advantage of that fact and not ask her on the first encounter, because asking might break the "I don't give a fuck" spell OP had cast so fantastically. By the way, I think your FR got caught in the spam filter.... I found your FR because you mentioned it in a post. Yeah, I only found this the same way too. And the same thing happened to my last FR.
/r/seduction21/01/11 05:40 AM
1

Yeah, this would be weird for a first date – I can see it as cool for 3rd or later dates though. I'm with you on casual drinks for first dates – I don't really want to invest more time/energy than that until I decide the girl is awesome. (As per my last FR, which the spam filter seems to still be withholding)
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:57 AM
2

Not seduction, r/sex is this way
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:48 AM
1

I'm just making sure we're on the same page. Have you really been able to go from K to F in 5-15 minutes (as advertised in the PDF) with that? I mean the "Escalation Ramp" that says just do: kiss then kiss neck then touch back then touch bellies then the zizi from behind The "Ladder" list seemed a lot longer (more items, more time) and intuitive, but the above seemed more surprising.
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:17 AM
2

PS, why are you browsing the "fucking idiotic PUA online community" in the first place? This isn't a frontpage subreddit, you must have come here intentionally. You're either trolling, or you're looking for something.
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:11 AM
6

You're missing the point of the article. The point, as I would describe it, is that when a girl describes a guy as "nice," it's basically a conscious or unconscious euphemism for "pushover." Two totally different concepts, as you point out, but really, really strongly linked in practice, or at least in the way people speak. I mean, think of it this way. I think many/most girls may, in fact, actually want a nice guy. But that's not at the top of their list. Being confident is at or near the top o…
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:08 AM
1

Are we? I think quality is more important than mass appeal. I mean, once someone's here, I want to encourage them – and I do encourage newbies – but I see no reason to try to increase the number of PUAs/sedditors for its own sake.
/r/seduction21/01/11 04:06 AM
1

You know what? That's fair, I'll stop bitching about it.
/r/seduction21/01/11 03:43 AM
1

Way to go man, I think you're gonna go far.
/r/seduction21/01/11 03:21 AM
0

My female-dar is going off hard at this reddit user. Also, my idiot-dar. You're making a bunch of assumptions and non-sequiturs that have very little to do with anything.
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:43 AM
1

What I meant was, she may have made the decision then and there that she was only going to make out with you, so the specifics of the kino after that moment may not be as relevant as that moment itself.
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:28 AM
2

Whoa, that is some good shit! At least, it sounds good, but does it work? (The Escalation Ramp part I mean.)
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:10 AM
3

All good points, especially #3...
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:02 AM
1

This is killer – thanks a mil.
/r/seduction21/01/11 01:55 AM
2

Niiiiice! Glad that's working out, do keep us posted. And yes, spin more plates, it's fun in itself AND good for your game.
/r/seduction20/01/11 03:26 PM
3

I think you're misunderstanding. It was good beginner stuff, it just seemed way, way out of proportion how much people were upvoting it.
/r/seduction20/01/11 03:06 PM
2

Yeah, there's no need to say "I'm not looking for a serious relationship" mid-kiss, for chrissakes. She has a right to know, but if it's important to her, she needs to ask. She probably wouldn't have asked until several dates had passed, by which point you might have already gotten laid. I'm not sure how useful it is critiquing the kino, because the whole situation was a bit awkward by that point because of the above. Did she let you touch her boobs though? That definitely comes before "no-no" (…
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:54 PM
1

How much of the articles in the sidebar have you read?
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:47 PM
1

Regardless, I think TofuTofu's advice is right on. It looks like she's probably into you, but I'd recommend getting more practice and studying up (ideally in something like a 2:1 ratio) before trying again with this one. Why haven't you gone back to her place when she offers though?
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:43 PM
4

Awesome. I still am looking for a chance to use your hardcore push/pull (probably could've worked into my date last night but forgot). I'm curious how you deal with the male cockblockers. I imagine some kind of aikido-esque use of their own energy against them is in order. Or just leaving the set and making the girl chase you.
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:38 PM
-6

Seriously, who the hell is downvoting an awesome, advanced, real-life FR? Methinks the hordes of AFC newcomers need to lurk more and vote less until they can tell the difference between awesome shit like this and ho-hum shit like this.
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:36 PM
1

Welcome. I was raised pretty damn religious too (though not Mormon), and kino is still a novel thing for me. It gets easier the more you do it. Congrats on your awesome new life!
/r/seduction20/01/11 01:18 PM
-3

Uh, no it's not, it's good, solid, commendable beginner stuff, that's all. And you're making a lot of dumb assumptions. I didn't notice any FR's on your userpage, btw, but I did notice your 9,000+ comment karma, apparently from a ton of ass random comments on a bunch of ass random reddit posts. Which one of us is the neckbeard exactly?
/r/seduction19/01/11 07:08 PM
1

Have you read anything in the sidebar? This isn't AskSeddit, RTFM.
/r/seduction19/01/11 06:17 PM
-5

Um, the goal here isn't to increase the volume of posts – as if there were a shortage of information on the internet or something – but the quality. Posts like this are good, but the fact that it's far and away the top voted post makes seddit a joke.
/r/seduction19/01/11 05:13 PM
-15

Maybe because the top-voted posts should generally be intermediate/advanced material? I mean, if we want seddit to become amateur hour, by all means, let's have more posts by people trying brave, commendable, but basically random and unstudied (AFAICT) shit, and upvote the hell out of it. I'm not putting myself on a pedestal – I say this as someone who's learning, and wants to be able to learn something from the top few posts.
/r/seduction19/01/11 07:38 AM
1

No worries – that changes things a bit, doesn't it? :) I can appreciate where you're coming from though – I only recently came to understand the fact that most girls like being fucked like it's the last night before a meteor wipes us all out. I mean, not all girls are into really kinky/rough shit, but I think pretty damn near all of them want you to show some goddamn powerful energy and enthusiasm.
/r/seduction19/01/11 07:11 AM
2

I read the original post and your comment.... Nothing about 5 - 10 minutes max. Ummm... We went for about 10 minutes, which she was amazed i didn't cum in (haha), before she decided we should stop Above from his original post. (Not this one we're reading right now; the one he first posted about this girl in.)
/r/seduction19/01/11 06:48 AM
1

Questions: Did you read my comment on his original post? And do you have any experience with this kind of Christian girl? My main point is, the "aftermath" is pretty much a known quantity: she'll feel even more guilty, and that'll be the end. Period. Your fantasy in your previous comment that OP can "fuck the Jesus out of her" literally overnight is simply not going to happen. (Or rather, if by some miracle it does happen, it'll take weeks/months of her stewing over the amazing fucking she got a…
/r/seduction19/01/11 06:27 AM
5

I agree I think OP is doing the right thing, and just needs to keep it up, but as I told him last time, I think he needs to chill out a little bit and see this as a long-term prospect. At some point, if she gives him the opportunity again, it will probably make sense to just fuck her brains out and see what happens, but if he does that at the very first opportunity, it's almost certainly going to be the last time. It's basically the boil-a-toad parable. OP wants to make out with her again, but i…
/r/seduction19/01/11 05:16 AM
2

So this comment got me to finally try out the "friends" feature, and hey, it's awesome!
/r/seduction18/01/11 07:27 PM
12

I like this – but do give us an update this weekend.
/r/seduction18/01/11 07:08 AM
3

Uh, what? It looks like you're reading "Who gives a shit" as evidence that OP is "beat down," but I'm pretty sure it's meant as the punchline to his racist joke. Incidentally, way to keep seddit classy, OP.
/r/seduction18/01/11 12:49 AM
2

I think it should also ask what people have already read. How much of the sidebar articles have you read? Have you read guru/book X? And so on.
/r/seduction17/01/11 12:16 AM
3

You can't make a text post and a link post at the same time, FYI.
/r/seduction16/01/11 09:31 PM
4

lol But sometimes being an asshole is worth it :) This would've tickled me to no end: So I yell at her some more, she storms off again. And glares at me every time she sees me for the rest of the night.
/r/seduction16/01/11 08:43 PM
1

Got it. And, if you are in the friend zone, it is easier and faster to go out, meet a new girl, and get into her pants, than it is to climb out of the friend zone Yes, plus this kind of behavior (screw this girl, GFTOG) is part of what will help you get out of the friendzone with the first girl.
/r/seduction16/01/11 08:40 PM
5

Not seduction, r/sex is this way
/r/seduction16/01/11 01:31 AM
0

I'm beginning to realize age is becoming a concern (late 20s here), but I think lying is a cheap way to solve the problem. If your game is good, a girl won't care as much about your age, and some girls don't care much to begin with. Which I find creepy, incidentally, when a mid-20s girl lists "25-40" on her profile, but whatever, it means the dating pool won't wither up anytime soon.
/r/seduction16/01/11 12:51 AM
10

I disagree, depending on what you mean. Are guys responsible for ending up in the friend zone most of the time? Yes. But once they're there, are women thinking of them like the woman in the Onion article, or the girl in this comment? I think much more like the former than the latter. In both cases the guy can try to break out, but usually it's a hard, long slog, not like Twisting_Me's situation at all.
/r/seduction16/01/11 12:47 AM
0

I would go ahead with Tuesday. Maybe make her sweat, but don't cancel. If her excuses seemed BS, I would probably cancel, just on general principle. But she may just actually be having bad luck. Now, if she flakes again – for whatever reason – I would probably say something to the effect of, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're starting to really seem like a flake. And be hard to get after that point. Let's hope it doesn't come to that though. Keep us posted.
/r/seduction16/01/11 12:00 AM
2

Yeah, I think sexual long distance flirting doesn't really work. And I'm starting to lean away from electronic communication with long distance people. They should feel your absence, and the few times you have in person should be what is mainly populating their memories of you. (That's my new hypothesis anyway.)
/r/seduction15/01/11 09:32 PM
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OK man, I'm all over this shit. I'm guessing you're not Christian, right? So here's a take from an ex-Christian dude who got mad laid with Christian girls at a Christian college back in the day. (At least, "mad laid" by that school's standards, more like average by secular school standards.) Here's what I'm guessing she's feeling. One, she's a normal, red-blooded female, and you've been bringing your A-1 game, so she wanted to jump your bones. Two, she was brought up to believe this is bad, bad,…
/r/seduction15/01/11 09:24 PM
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cool story bro
/r/seduction15/01/11 08:57 PM
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Yeah, normally I wouldn't be OK with sending three in a row, but under the circumstances I felt like that was the lesser evil. The third text made it easier to move on with the conversation IMHO.
/r/seduction15/01/11 08:42 PM
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It was really nice to feel like champ instead of a chump for a change. The difference between a CHAMP and a CHUMP is U Way to go! Long term seduction is this whole different ballgame that I think doesn't get enough attention. (Maybe there are articles about it I haven't seen.) I've got several friends and exes at a distance that I'd like to be able to turn into relationships if logistics ever allow it. I like your approach here: After I did that I treated A exactly as I would any other close fri…
/r/seduction15/01/11 08:33 PM
1

I think you're probably right on all points. Except re: the last, I do think there's a significant, if subtle, difference between the two.
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:46 AM
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Yeah, I think if I could do it over, I would've tried to communicate the same thing in a funnier way. My worry was that if I wasn't clear, I would come off as not having the balls to say what I meant. But I probably could've been clear enough while keeping it at the level of innuendo.
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:20 AM
2

This. I think we could use a bit more RTFM around here.
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:04 AM
2

I love that phrase, "perv bait"
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:50 AM
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This came off as creepy as fuck to me. I know, I'm playing with fire here. Would love to hear more people's feedback on whether that was retarded or genius (or somewhere inbetween). I agree, the smiley may have been wrong.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:28 AM
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I left at 12:30, band was still on. Social Anxiety got the best of me. Totally fine, I still leave parties/etc. early occasionally if they're lame or I'm just out of social energy for that night.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:17 AM
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Ah... you mean, you could've said "Yes" to Sunday, but said you had plans for the sake of being firm? In that case, sure, maybe it was #7. Keep the big picture though – you're in fucking high school, and you're way ahead of where most people are in high school, including most of us I bet. (I think most sedditors/PUA types, like me, weren't naturals and had to learn a lot of this stuff later in life. It wasn't until senior year of college for me.)
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:14 AM
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Way to go, my man. Sounds like you did exactly the kind of thing you need to do at this point. Just fucking talk to everybody, crash and burn a few times, roll with the punches, and keep doing it. It gets easier, and the more positive conversations you have (with anybody, but especially girls) the more confident you feel, which helps you do even better. Looking forward to FR #3.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:10 AM
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you took alpha "im in control and im taking the lead and planning" too far and turned it into "i need to be in control and i get a little overbearing when my unbreakable schedule gets a wrench thrown in it." I agree – the whole time I was like, "Damn, son, that's the way to do it!", but then text #9 IMHO pushed it too far.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:05 AM
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I totally agree, except this seems a bit overstated: As Neil said, sarging is for losers. I would say "only sarging is for losers." I don't see why "sarging" (not that I'm crazy about that term) can't be part of a balanced life for a lot of guys. Also, where did Neil (Strauss I assume) say that?
/r/seduction15/01/11 05:58 AM
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If they do, I don't think it matters. Check out Myth #3: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/
/r/seduction14/01/11 10:39 PM
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Keep reading seddit, and read the intro materials in the sidebar. There's a lot of good stuff here. One of the easiest things you can do to boost your confidence and perception thereof is to start talking and moving more slowly. People who talk and move fast (both the delay before beginning and the speed after you begin) seem nervous. And even if you are nervous, doing the opposite actually makes you feel less so.
/r/seduction14/01/11 08:23 PM
1

Yeah, but she got it from David Wygant.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:16 AM
3

And I think it is the guys I'm hanging out with They tend to not be alphamale types, which may be why they expect me to take over? Idk. Sounds about right. Some guys are intimidated by smart girls, so you just have to find the ones that aren't.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:15 AM
1

My guess is you're either not that cute, or you're cute but the guys you hang out with just aren't the same type as OP (which I agree is super lame of them)
/r/seduction14/01/11 05:24 AM
1

Don't worry, I was following you: It doesn't matter what they look like if you enjoy their looks You're saying "objective" looks aren't as important as whether you subjectively dig her looks, right? Aka, it's less important how seddit would rate a girl, and more important how you rate her. (Which is the point of the post I just made.)
/r/seduction13/01/11 01:11 AM
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All true PUAs should be very picky I think. I'm a picky motherfucker too (though not always for the same girls other guys are going for), so I want to agree with you, but I think there's a million ways to be. Some people are at a point in life where being slutty is the right thing for them. Other people are where you and me are. It's all about knowing yourself, I think.
/r/seduction13/01/11 01:08 AM
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I agree with most of this comment, but I do think that it would be interesting to get more of a sense for how different people here would rate the same girl.
/r/seduction13/01/11 01:03 AM
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A HB6 could be a HB8 for me, or the girls from the various field reports could be plain and decently attractive while you guys say they are HB9.9's ( I just posted a bunch of random girls' OKC profiles, and asked people to rank them – skip to the bottom of this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/f17uf/dae_here_have_really_nonmainstream_taste_in_girls/ My questions in that post are a little different than yours, but I think the "rate these chicks" responses will be interesting to bo…
/r/seduction13/01/11 01:00 AM
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I think being outcome-independent may be the key to this kind of nervousness. Think about it: with most girls, you probably aren't going to be that hurt if they say no, but for girls of this caliber you seem to have a scarcity mentality. Just try to remember that it's not the end of the world if she says no, and you could meet someone even cooler tomorrow.
/r/seduction13/01/11 12:51 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXtGINeDK0
/r/seduction13/01/11 12:46 AM
2

"chock full of beautiful women"
/r/seduction12/01/11 11:30 PM
2

Try focusing more on asking yourself "would I enjoy spending time with this girl?" That's good advice. I get kind of ahead of myself, asking "would I want to be in an LTR with this girl?" I do talk to people I have no intention (or none yet) of picking up – "talk to everybody" is one of the best pieces of advice I've gotten here. Or remind of, actually – I think I first heard that on some David D interview.
/r/seduction12/01/11 11:07 PM
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I'm with this guy – a casual but confident "telling" is way better than "asking" most of the time.
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:20 PM
2

I think you mean "chock"
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:18 PM
2

don't cook for her, cook with her. Yes yes yes yes yes. Cooking for her = servile Cooking with her = non-servile, and full of opportunities for kino
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:13 PM
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*phew*
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:10 PM
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If you want me to dig up old FR's I am more then happy too. I'd love to see one, especially because it will be old, and you may have an interesting perspective on it now.
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:25 PM
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It's really good. It almost has a bit of Yogi Berra tautology to it too.
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:10 PM
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Being too fucking picky Does anybody else do this? I am way too quick to "next" a girl I just met because of the tiniest little fault. If she's hot, it's because she's too dumb. If she's smart, it's because she's not hot enough. If she's hot AND smart, it's because she's doing her PhD on something fucking boring like the immune system of nematodes, and is wearing ugly shoes. Etc., etc. This is partly a crutch, probably – if I disqualify a girl, I don't have to go talk to her (or keep talking to …
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:04 PM
2

I'm downvoting you... because this is pretty fucking unintelligible.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:49 PM
2

Or like the pot of gold pussy at the end of the rainbow.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:43 PM
2

save that for face to face conversations. Yeah, if it was me, I probably would've made fun of her bands in the first message or two, and accidentally ruined the whole thing.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:39 PM
1

I hear the best US fake ID's come from Toronto. My guess is it's because they don't have to worry about US law enforcement as much.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:38 PM
5

I want the haters from TwoX to see this video and think it's serious.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:10 PM
2

Not pickup, but related: You know how nobody does shit when a public robbery/etc. is happening? I saw that shit one time. A guy walked into a bar I was at, grabbed a fistful of money out of the tip jar (this was Canada where coins are real money), and walked out. The bartender is trying to slow his exit, pulling on his hand that has the money ("That's my money, you asshole!"), and as they pass me, I don't do fucking shit. Thankfully, some guy had the balls and presence of mind to stop the guy be…
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:40 AM
1

Asian Ha, missed that part, you would probably know
/r/seduction11/01/11 01:56 AM
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Are you nervous about her becoming attached after the sex? In my experience in this department (which is probably vastly less than yours), this isn't a huge issue. I think it's kind of a myth. I mean, sometimes you deflower a girl and she gets attached, but then again sometimes you sleep with nonvirgins and they get attached too. I think it has more to do with the girl than the virginity status.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:14 PM
1

Congrats on the sex! Lol, thanks, that was indeed my fave part...
/r/seduction10/01/11 10:35 PM
1

True that.
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:30 PM
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Totally agree with your first paragraph, though (re: the second one), I think the bigger issue here is that I'm just pretty subdued right now in general. (My mom just died unexpectedly.) Under normal circumstances I think things would've gone more smoothly. Hell, I might've taken her home the first night at the party.
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:43 AM
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One question: Did you pay for her ticket/meal? Aw, hell naw. What do you take me for?
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:19 AM
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it was probably because you were beating around the bush. I think you may be right – that what I was picking up on wasn't so much resistance, as her feeling awkward that I wasn't being quite as assertive as I could've been. Sort of in line with the number-close moment – "So are you going to ___ or what?"
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:11 AM
1

Ugh. I've gleaned a bit of good stuff from Roissy, but his misogynistic schtick is kind of over the top, and Roosh seems (and looks!) like a total creep. I might check "Bang" out at some point, but I anticipate a lot of work weeding the psycho away from the good bits.
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:07 AM
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A museum is like a hundred mini-dates, you're always bouncing to new locations: different galleries, gift shops, cafes, etc. That's probably the right way to do it – we were just in the main gallery area the whole time. Gallery openings are a great idea!
/r/seduction10/01/11 04:02 AM
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