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[–]Hubblenobbin 6 years ago [recovered] (20 children) | Copy Link
Change the question into a statement.
What's your name?
Tell me your name
What time is it?
Tell me the time.
Do you like broccoli?
I bet you like broccoli.
Broccoli is good.
I love Broccoli
I hate Broccoli
One time I shoved Broccoli up my rectum.
Practice taking the question you want to ask, and figure out how to say something similar in a statement or command.
[–]Intendto 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
i like this ur cool but verbals don't even matter lol
[–]Imperator_Pyra 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Verbal game does kinda matter.
While I love the idea that what you say doesn't really matter, my real life experience with game doesn't exactly support it. And even if we assume physical game is more important (which I think is true), you still initiate conversations using verbal game, so there's that at the bare minimum.
And then there's the fact that it's our duty as men to keep the conversation going, so at the very least we have to have some verbals.
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Not really you can have garbage verbals and still close i also like using verbals congruent with my masculine frame tho.
[–]Imperator_Pyra 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Can you elaborate? What are "garbage verbals" and why do you "like using verbals congruent with your masculine frame" if verbals don't matter? And what do you even mean by that?
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Garbage verbals = interview questions
I'll abstract my most recent field report here: I approach, use garbage verbals, use physical escalation or basic masculine subcommunication (vocal tonality, eye contact,groundedness, strong frame that im enough, and leading) to push the interaction. Interaction gets even more sexualized via grinding, then i finally use "good" verbal by teasing her about her jacket being a dancing condom...make out with her, tell her lets get out of here 0 hesitation start physically moving (i guess this kinda counts as good verbal). She followed and then grabbed a cab for me back to her place and i closed
Good verbal is still basically good subcommunication. You can make anything into good verbala
[–]Imperator_Pyra 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
See, I say "it kinda matters", and you say "it doesn't matter" (while still using verbal game), but at the bottom line it seems we are in agreement here.
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nah read deeper. Everything i said that pushed the interaction was rather inconsequential. I could have just reached my arm out or finger waved to lead her out of the club. I didnt have to make the condom joke because the interaction was already sexualized (grinding). Interview questions could have carried the entire interaction but my subcommunication was on point.
You can pull without speaking ive seen it done
[–]Imperator_Pyra 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OK, do daygame without speaking ever.
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yo honestly reticular activation system or whatever its called is crazy...it even works online.
Anyways, yeah that is possible or i can just use poor verbal game (interview questions) which is way easier.
[–]Hubblenobbin 6 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
Cheers :) . Yeah, that's one way to do it. I've done it that way and it's super fun. I'm trying going stateless and more verbal now, we'll see what happens.
[–]Intendto 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Ooou stateless? Can you expound on that a bit?
[–]Hubblenobbin 6 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
It's the technical school of game. So MM, ToddV, JMULV, Saul Tee, David D etc. Instead of relying only on subcoms for buying temperature spiking, you use verbals (cocky frame + push-pull/cold read/disqualifiers/negs/roleplays). State-game also benefits from a comfort/investment stage too, it brings down flaking.
[–]Intendto 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Hmm i kinda think the technical stuff is a waste of time because it comes out naturally just by being more attractive (core value/more investment in yourself). I don't study technical game at all but im generally familliar. I noticed the other night the cocky frame push pull just came naturally as i was mainly concerned with subcom...but maybe you do need to study it a bit just so you can have a general idea of what it looks like. In the same way that capital "I" insights in meditation must be experienced and are purely intuitive but reading about them would be conducive to helping you "find" those insights when on the cushion... to game w a guy like you would be dope tho you in NYC by chance?
[–]Hubblenobbin 6 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Nah man but I might be in the next year, if so I'll hit you up.
i kinda think the technical stuff is a waste of time because it comes out naturally just by being more attractive
Yeah it's cool how one naturally emulates a lot of the tactics in state. I think a lot of them were reverse engineered from girls and naturals. My understanding is that for the more natural school, it's about de-social conditioning yourself, so those tactics are mostly instinct. Though if you think about it, if you use those tactics in a deliberate way where they're designed for efficiency, it can be the difference between a naturally beautiful girl and a pretty girl with amazing makeup. The pretty girl wins every time because makeup is a superstimulus. The thing is, I'm tired of chasing momentum, because I'm naturally very introverted and when I lose it nothing sticks. My baseline subcoms have gotten better over time, but they're still not near solid enough to land hotties on their own. I want to be able to run game no matter how I feel if that's possible.
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I have been trying to feel good all of the time so i can be instead of do. How long have you been doing pickup?
Have you observed who is most successful at pickup? Is it the guys you listed or the natural game guys? I think some of the most successful guys are justin merc and bradicus and they seem to be more on the natural side.
Thinking aboht starting 5 hours of meditation a day plus going out nightly and seeing where tbat goes. How long have u been at it
[–]Hubblenobbin 6 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
You shouldn't go over 20 minutes tops based on what science I've read, otherwise you can become neurotic or emotionally muted. Owen Cook is wild to watch in person. I used to have a friend who would pull 7+ almost every night. He was super gregarious but had a lot of tech. I've done a few thousand approaches but only had 14 lays, 11 were 8/9's . I've had about 2 years combined experience. My lay count is so low because my standards are too high, I started out insanely awkward, and I don't think I've been technical enough.
[–]Intendto 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Bro your science is wayyyy off. The more you practice is highly correlated with progress. Ive been doing an hour a day for the last 3 months.
Thats great progress bro
Check out The mind illuminated for a real secular scientific take on meditation from beginner to enlightened
Genuinely curious about your progression curve. When you say a few thousand do you mean like around 2000? And that has netted you 14 8s and 9s. Thats pretty awesome
[–]Hubblenobbin1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
https://www.brown.edu/news/2017-05-24/experiences It's like any other treatment of the brain, there are pros and cons. Some types of meditation are better than others for certain effects. Doing too much is not good for you. I have a friend that had an experience predicted by that science, he's more emotionally muted in general after meditating frequently for over an hour at a time. I've got enough neuroscience training to be pretty confident about this stuff.
Like a bit over 3k, I stopped counting. Cheers I'm hoping to be more consistent soon. :)
[–]Intendto1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Its ok if u dont believe me bro but that isn't true. Anyways almost at the club finally have a good night man
:) take care man, good luck.
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