I began approaching a little whilst I was visting the US and got some good results (in hindsight i'm thinking it was largely due to the accent lol). I mainly approach in bars at night

I've tried to continue where I left off now that i'm back in the UK, but i'm finding it so tough. The girls seem so hard to actually 'open'

It's been a few months now and i'm mainly unable to even get to what I believe is called the 'hook point' where they are asking me things etc (i've tried various 'models' like mysterymethod and direct game)

I will concede that my game has probably been weaker than usual recently, but that's kind of as a result of each rejection killing my mojo to the point that I now feel a distinct lack of hope when opening some pretty girl!

I'm not even sure better 'game' would help with the rejections as I often feel like these girls decide whether they fancy you or not the second they see you, and it's kind of set in stone from that point (back to the boring looks debate I guess!)

What kind of openers and initial (first 30 seconds or so) conversation do you tend to utilize when approaching girls in bars? Say by themselves, or a group of 2-3 girls?

As I say, I think my game is weaker than usual, but I had a fairly demoralizing night on Saturday where I just couldn't get started.

First open was on 2 beautiful young looking girls. One had braces. Was gonna comment on that but didn't want to make her self conscious so I just asked if they'd been served yet and asked how their night was going but they kind of looked at each other like they didn't know what was going on and walked away without really replying lol (Don't think I ever got this reaction in the US!!)

Next open was on 2 girls who were seated. I went over and basically asked if I could join them for a bit whilst I waited for a friend and they politely rejected me and told me that they were having a chat and told me to have a good night

My wing opened a 2 girls talking and got told to 'fuck off!' lol. (although we later learned the girls were having a bit of an argument about some guy they were both banging)

Then I opened a girl and decided to go direct and told her I thought she looked nice and she just said something like 'thanks. You're not my type though hun. He is!' (and pointed at the barman lol and then she spun around and ejected lol

An older woman then kind of opened me and she was actually American and we spoke for a bit, but she wasn't my type

Then I opened a girl with an opinion opener (thought i'd try to go the other way so very INdirect compared to the prior open) and she talked back. tried to DHV and stuff, But every time I tried to kind of get things a little more personal and flirty (isolate, light kino, flirty statement of intents/compliments as per RSD advice etc), she kind of confirmed my thoughts that she was just a friendly girl but there was no physical attraction from her end and it fizzled out (and push-pull and other attraction builders weren't changing her mind)

At this point my confidence was a bit low and I got talking to some beautiful girl next to me with some sort of situational opener (she noticed something funny the dude next to me had just done and we spoke about it) but at this point, the rejections had caught up with me and I literally felt like all 'game' had been evaporated and I just had nothing to say to her and all my charisma seemed to have been temporarily drained! Like, in hindsight it's embarrassing thinking about that one as I don't think I even asked her name or anything. I felt a bit paralysed. Maybe just out of ideas or kind of hopeless due to how pretty she was, maybe

I know that the opener and the first 20 seconds is only a tiny part of 'game', but i'd love to hear some ideas as to how people tend to open and lead the initial convo in bars. In the US 'hi, who are you?' worked a treat, but it's cutting no ice here at all!